WASHINGTON (AP) -- Social Security and Medicare are fading even faster under the weight of the recession, heading for insolvency years sooner than previously expected, the government warned Tuesday.
Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, a year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner, trustees reported.
Medicare is in even worse shape. The trustees said the program for hospital expenses will pay out more in benefits than it collects this year, just as it did for the first time in 2008. The trustees project that the Medicare fund will be depleted by 2017, two years earlier than the date projected in last year's report.
The trust funds -- which exist in paper form in a filing cabinet in Parkersburg, W.Va. -- are bonds that are backed by the government's "full faith and credit" but not by any actual assets. That money has been spent over the years to fund other parts of government. To redeem the trust fund bonds, the government would have to borrow in public debt markets or raise taxes.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, the head of the trustees group, said the new reports were a reminder that "the longer we wait to address the long-term solvency of Medicare and Social Security, the sooner those challenges will be upon us and the harder the options will be."
Geithner said that President Barack Obama was committed to working with Congress to find ways to control runaway growth in both public and private health care expenditures, noting the promise Monday by major health care providers to trim costs by $2 trillion over the next decade.
However, Republicans pointed to the newly dire assessments as evidence the Obama administration has failed to come forward with actual entitlement reform to close the funding gaps.
"Instead of getting existing public programs in order right now, some are saying we should create a new government-run health insurance plan," Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a reference to the administration's health care proposals. "When we can't afford the public health plan we have already, does it make sense to add more?"
House Republican leader John Boehner said the trustees report "confirms what we already knew: Our nation cannot afford to continue this reckless borrowing and spending spree."
The findings in the trustees report, the annual checkup given the two benefit programs, did not come as a surprise. Private economists had been predicting that the dates the programs would begin to pay out more than they take in and the dates the trust funds would be insolvent would occur sooner given the economic recession.
The deep recession, the worst the country has endured in decades, has resulted in a loss of 5.7 million jobs since it began in December 2007. The unemployment rate hit a 25-year high of 8.9 percent in April.
Fewer people working means less being paid into the trust funds for Social Security and Medicare.
The Congressional Budget Office recently projected that Social Security will collect just $3 billion more in 2010 than it will pay out in benefits. A year ago, the CBO had projected that Social Security would have a much higher $86 billion cash surplus for the 2010 budget year, which begins Oct. 1.
The trustees report projected that Social Security's annual surpluses would "fall sharply this year," then remain at a reduced level in 2010 and be lower in the following years than last year's projections. The report said that the Social Security annual surplus would be eliminated entirely in 2016, reflecting increased demands from the wave of 78 million baby boomers retiring.
That means Social Security will have to turn to its trust fund to make up the difference between Social Security taxes and the benefits being paid out beginning in 2016. The trustees projected the trust fund would be depleted in 2037, four years earlier than the 2041 date in last year's report.
At that point, the annual Social Security taxes collected would be enough to pay for three-fourths of current benefits through 2083. To tap the trust fund, the government would have to increase borrowing or raise taxes because Social Security bonds exist only as bookkeeping entries.
While the smaller surpluses that will begin this year will not have any impact on Social Security benefit payments, the government will need to borrow more at a time when the federal deficit is already exploding because of the recession and the billions of dollars being spent to prop up a shaky banking system.
Medicare's condition is more precarious, reflecting the pressures from soaring health care costs as well as the drop in tax collections.
The options available to deal with the Social Security shortfall include raising the payroll tax that funds Social Security, such as removing the cap on income subject to the tax, or cutting benefits in some fashion such as raising the retirement age.
The administration is pushing Congress to pass legislation this year to extend health care coverage to some 50 million uninsured Americans, preferring to tackle health care before Social Security.
The trustees report is likely to set off renewed debate over Social Security and Medicare. Critics have charged that the Obama administration has failed to tackle the most serious problems in the budget -- soaring entitlement spending.
The administration on Monday revised its federal deficit forecasts upward to project an imbalance this year of $1.84 trillion, four times last year's record, and said the deficits will remain above $500 billion every year over the next decade.
I think this shows why our government should not be in the Health Care Business. what is your take on it?
Conran
He will bankrupt our great great great grandchildren with his delusions of grandeur. He could not even balance his own checkbook let alone a national budget.
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No Sam, he will bankrupt you. I heard a good line today, don't remember who or where. He said with the liabilities facing future generations soon we will only be able to support the elderly and the army. There is not enough GDP to support the taxes needed, and who wants to lend to a debtor nation? On top of that, all that borrowing and taxing, will drive out any available capitol to fund business expansion
2Well then we will have to start a war. A BIG war. Do you think the EU will be busy next month? What am i thinking, they are never busy with anything but whining.
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time to embrace the GOP again- you know their the ones who work & pay all the taxes. Probably even too late for that-
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4"Cinco de Cuatro,"
President Barack Obama
The Government curses everything it touches.
5...and these are the people who want to take over our health care system? Have we gone completely insane?!
Yes, HE bankrupted you.
Are you serious? Medicare and Social Security were failing LONG
before Obama got into office. The country was in a RECESSION long before Obama got into office. Obama has NOTHING to do with the fact that people are expected to live longer, which is one of
the biggest anticipated draws on these programs.
I know you love to roll around in your Obama hate, but please try to insert a little bit of fact in there. Really.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104079591&ft=1&f=10...
"The condition of the government's biggest benefit programs worsened in the last year because of the recession and because people are living longer, an annual report card says."
"Solving Social Security's financial problems is a big political challenge, but not a huge financial challenge. Some combination of a small payroll tax increase and modest reductions in benefits could close Social Security's financial gap. There is no shortage of proposals to do this. It's also possible lawmakers could look for other sources of revenue to close the gap."
6So we then sign the largest spending bill into effect instead of putting money in these funds to shore them up.
7Yeah right not his fault. Quick go blame someone else.
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
"and these are the people who want to take over our health care system? Have we gone completely insane?"
First of all, health care needs regulation. Right now 70% of people who went bankrupt from medical bills HAD health insurance when they became ill. The system is broken. Much like our banking industry, when you let them run wild they get greedy and bankrupt citizens. The quality of health care has greatly been reduced, because claims are being denied at record rates. Regulation is needed.
Secondly, capitalism is supposed to thrive on competition, so how is adding an additional choice going to hurt our health care? If anything, the care we receive will be better because of added competition. Creating a plan that people could chose to be on or not is not "taking over" health care.
Third, our country is going bankrupt because of medical price gouging. Citizens can't afford it, their employers can't afford it, and our government can't afford it. The industry is powerful and they try to scare people with their talk of "government run health care", but that isn't an accurate description. The health care industry knows they have been selling a crappy product, that is why they are so scared of competition.
8Pam, wow, snarky much? I'm sure I pay a ton more taxes than you do an I'm not in the GOP. Its views like yours that will prevent me from ever going back to the GOP.
9And of course crickets on Jillness' comment. Remember the past 8 years when the GOP could have done something about Medicare or Social Security? Oh wait, they did do something, they added a prescription drug coverage where the government can't even negotiate to get lower prices. Seems like the GOP has ALL the answers.
I was happy to see this article posted because its a major problem for our country. I remember Myst and I had a post on Moderate listing the top things we wanted from Obama. Number 1 was to fix entitlement. Its something that is non-partisan and should be fixed as soon as possible. It was interesting to see the point that maybe we should fix Medicare before we reform health care as a whole. That subject would be worth a debate.
10Sam, I didn't hear you saying that Bush's massive spending should be directed towards these programs instead of tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%. Bush spent drastic amount and none of it was on these programs. Do you have double standards?
Obama's spending was on a unprecedented global crisis, so I do think that there is little you can compare it to.
Not to mention that you didn't address the points I made in my previous post (recession before Obama, people living longer, programs failing before Obama got into office).
11"Remember the past 8 years when the GOP could have done something about Medicare or Social Security? Oh wait, they did do something, they added a prescription drug coverage where the government can't even negotiate to get lower prices."
Exactly! And that is costing billions of dollars every year!
12Jill give government run medical a spin for say 6 months and then come back and tell us how great your treatment was. Or to save time go talk to someone dependent on medicare or the VA or the free clinics. Do you really want Pelosi deciding whether or not your chemo treatment or medication is worthwhile?
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
Face it, the GOP is the party of older Americans and those are the ones that are not going to want a higher retirement age or a cut in benefits. They want more benefits, and the GOP is giving them those at the expense of folks like me that will never benefit from all the tax dollars I sink into entitlement. Conservatives can complain all they want about stimulus spending but the majority of the federal budget still goes to paying out entitlement and will continue to do so.
14wow mydiadem. You have NO idea my tax bracket. Very presumptuous of you.
Furthermore, the GOP by far represents more "working" American taxpayers- that's a reality. Welfare is not being given to Republicans.
whether you choose to come back to the GOP? --with all due respect, I can't imagine how you could support Obama's agenda if you were ever truly a Republican.
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15"Cinco de Cuatro,"
President Barack Obama
"Obama's spending was on a unprecedented global crisis, so I do think that there is little you can compare it to." Hmmm you mean pre WW2 does not count? Never waste a crisis huh? If you can not take a bumpy ride which the market is then get off the bus. Things were coming back into balance since housing and products were priced off the wall. If yo over paid for your home that is your problem not mine. If you over extended yourself then you will fail and I will buy your home and its possessions at a good rate and take advantage of your stupidity.
People live longer and if the government health plan goes into effect, they will be living shorter lives when the government decides they are not worthy of a transplant or treatment. People live longer and work longer and are under coverage until the choose medicare. The poor - well they will always live off the government because they can. To keep taxing the wealthy is foolish since they will fire your bum and raise costs to make it up.
And if you feel they can't handle (the democratic congress of the last how many years?) prescriptions do you really want them negotiating your kids leukemia treatment or your hubby's kidney failure?
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16"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
I can't presume your tax bracket, but how can you presume that the majority of tax payers are Republican Pam? I can't tell you how many times I hear that Republicans are the only people that work and pay taxes. All Democrats are on welfare and receiving social assistance. Working tax paying Americans come from all walks of life and all political affiliations. What are you saying is just as stereotypical as me saying all rascists are registered GOP. Its a stupid generalization that's not accurate.
17Barney Frank dishing out healthcare? omg, just the thought is making me sick! ick!
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18"Cinco de Cuatro,"
President Barack Obama
Sam, if you don't want the government plan, you don't have to use it! Do you understand that? It would be an option.
WW2 was quite different in how it related to global markets. Many people actually got very rich during the war because of the demand for the goods it requires. That keeps the economy spinning. Very different situation. In this situation we were talking about the near collapse of the entire global financial system and world governments (see Iceland).
It is clear when you say that people will be living shorter lives simply from the OPTION of participating in the government plan, that you are deep in GOP spin. That is just an unfounded statement, IMO. And the Republicans passed the legislation on prescriptions, and no I don't trust them with anything.
Clearly, though, you trust the companies that currently run health care. You trust the people like Blue Cross of California that recently changed their name to Anthem because of lawsuits. You trust the doctors offices who overcharge on 60% of medical bills (duplicate billing on services). You trust the drug companies who spend billions on dinners, vacation packages, hats, and lunches for doctors to prescribe their products more often. You seem to think that placing your bets on these massive monopolies to look out for your best interest is a good idea. We need to have regulation, or the drug industry, insurance industry, and hospital industry will bankrupt us all.
19"Exactly! And that is costing billions of dollars every year!"
And yet you aren't concerned that Obama just spent 1,000 times that in the first 4 months? Obama's 1.2 Trillion dollar Deficit is the largest ever, and is larger than what the other Presidents accumalated is total. Where is the "Change you can believe in"?
20I will agree with you mydiadem that taxes are not one party or one group or one anything. That is most true.
Just out of curiosity though......how many republicans are on welfare?
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
"that you are deep in GOP spin" Jill please sit down cause this is just gonna floor you.
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I AM A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT AND HAVE PROBABLY BEEN SO A LOT LONGER THEN YOU!
Do you need smelling salts?
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
stupid generalization? Do your research. Up until now, people on welfare vote & support the Democrat party.
Your assumption that you pay more taxes than me is laughable not to mention offensive, arrogant and presumptuous.
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23"Cinco de Cuatro,"
President Barack Obama
"You trust the drug companies who spend billions on dinners, vacation packages, hats, and lunches for doctors to prescribe their products more often. " That is what makes small business which drives the economy to prosper. Big companies buying that stuff. It what keeps the bartenders and waitresses and maids employed. It what keeps printers and designers employed. Its what keeps the FDA funded (you have no idea what it takes to get a pen produced that says ZYRTEC) Silly girl its the big guy that drives the little guy that drives the economy. NOT GOVERNMENT.
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
Sam? how funny!!!
love it
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25"Cinco de Cuatro,"
President Barack Obama
I'm don't have any demographical information on republicans on welfare, do you have information on welfre recipients by political registration?
26No that is why I asked. it was a serious question - just sounds funny.
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
Trickle down thinking, yes, works. But the problem is the corruption that abounds across all politicans and the drug companies/health care - no bid/no negiotation contracts, lobbying, medicare loopholes that big companies exploit. Whereas private industry can do a better job providing health care for cheaper why in the world would they want to do that when they can just leach tons of money off Medicare and tax payers?
28I would imagine that most welfare recipients aren't registered and don't vote.
29I agree the corruption sucks but if done in private industry you can go after them. Whistle blowers abound. You can also fight them. Now corruption in government - can you fight them? can you see Reid blowing a whistle? can you see taxes going up so high to cover the costs because the guy down the street who has never contributed a dime needs to take and ambulance the ER every time he has the sniffles? can you see your loved ones being told no they are not worthy?
I can also see black market drugs and transplants, I can see travel medical, I can see you tripping the guy down the street when he comes back in that ambulance because he just cost you a few thousand dollars.
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
M - acorn took care of that issue of not being registered and not voting this time around.
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
"Medicare and Social Security were failing LONG before Obama got into office. The country was in a RECESSION long before Obama got into office."
Just as medicare and social security were failing long before Bush got in office as well. I've been putting into my 401k's for over 20 years because I could see the funding problem coming that long ago. (I do realize you said nothing about Bush in your paragraph.
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political parties share the blame for the failing systems.
Obama was in the US Senate when the recession started. He just didn't have the office of president yet. However, the reasons for the recession were set up by both parties.
Price gouging is only one aspect of the problems with the current medical system, not the only problem as you imply in your post. (At least that is the way I read it, I could be reading it incorrectly.) Liability insurance for doctors and medical institutions also have a roll, as do the costs of reasearch on new drugs and care. IMO, throwing another insurance option out there isn't necessarily going to fix a thing. There are plenty of different insurance companies offering medical insurance. These companies compete with each other for the right to be a company's insurance provider. Many of the people without insurance could have insurance through their company but they decide it isn't worth it to them. That is an individual decision and I feel that group of people should not be included in the number of uninsured people.
32"But the problem is the corruption that abounds across all politicans and the drug companies/health care - no bid/no negiotation contracts, lobbying, medicare loopholes that big companies exploit."
Just how bad is the corruption really? That isn't meant to sound snarky because I really don't know how bad the corruption is. I agree that there is corruption in every business and definitely in the government. But does corruption really abound through the health care industry?
33"You trust the drug companies who spend billions on dinners, vacation packages, hats, and lunches for doctors to prescribe their products more often. " That is what makes small business which drives the economy to prosper. Big companies buying that stuff. It what keeps the bartenders and waitresses and maids employed. It what keeps printers and designers employed. Its what keeps the FDA funded (you have no idea what it takes to get a pen produced that says ZYRTEC) Silly girl its the big guy that drives the little guy that drives the economy. NOT GOVERNMENT."
As some one who is currently serving on a health care fraud grand jury, I think you might need to brush up on the law a bit. It is super illegal for pharm companies to give vacation packages and lunches or any other kick backs to doctors. Kick backs don't help the economy they hurt it because then the government has to spend years in litigation with these huge drug companies.
Oh and BTW go team Jillness!!
Way to own.
34skb The corruption is really really bad. When I am permitted to talk about some of the cases I have been assigned to, I will tell you just how bad. These drug companies are murderers and thieves and that is all I will say for now.
35if you are currently sitting - should you even be posting?
36and the trips i was referring to was for their own staffs not doctors. For the doctors its the promotional stuff and lunches which the sales people do do and in sales is fully legal. Since when can't you take a client to lunch?
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
OK, thanks kastarte. I really have never researched the issue so don't know how bad it is. I guess I'd like to think most people in the medical industry are in that line of work because they want to help people/find a cure for a disease.
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Are you allowed to "post" on here when you are "currently serving on a health care fraud grand
jury" ?
38"Do you really want Pelosi deciding whether or not your chemo treatment or medication is worthwhile?" Is it better that an insurance company gets to decide these things? The problem with health care in this cournty is that it is not taking "care" of anyone. It is not there when you truly need it. As Jillness pointed out, the majority of people who are bankrupt due to medical bills had insurance. There is something wrong with that. And if we keep going on this current trend, nobody is going to be able to afford it. Something needs to change. Medicare is unsustainable partly due to the ever rising cost of healthcare.
"Welfare is not being given to Republicans" This is ridiculous. So you are saying that no Republicans receive welfare?
39"You trust the drug companies who spend billions on dinners, vacation packages, hats, and lunches for doctors to prescribe their products more often. ""
Actually that is incorrect, they are not allowed to do that anymore, its illegal. Lunches, yes but nothing more.
40Also that service is a good service for Docs, they don't have time to go out an learn about every new drug. A lot of them depend on reps to learn about whats out there in terms of Rxing.
41I was actually at the doctor a couple of weeks ago and overheard one of the nurses in the office thanking the pharm. rep for the tickets they provided to some show. So the practice still takes place.
42kast - i see how you could come to hate the drug companies from your reference point but i've worked with and for drug companies and i love them. i think they do far more good than harm.... now the FDA, well I have plenty of problems with them.
43Roar - Maybe they were friends and the guy sold them the tickets. You don't know for sure. What is for sure is that the practice is illegal and not happening in the majority of cases.
44of course not roarman. Welfare is dished out to all. A pitiful existence which I would pray none of us have to ever experience. Government dependence is a pitiful experience.
45Probably shouldn't be posting but I think as long as I don't tell you what companies or drugs are on trial then I am in the clear.
46For all of you who say Bush did nothing about the problem, he did in 1995. Here is the part of Bush's 2006 "State of the union" address in 1996 on the topic. Please note the Democrats reaction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mqSXsNJzRM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgatewaypund...
The Republicans have been warning about Social Security ponzi scheme since at least 1964 when Goldwater ran. EVERY SINGLE TIME since then that Republicans have tried to reform social security to insure solvency, The were hammered for trying to do away with it, scaring the hell out of the elderly. The Only Democrat who recognized the problem publicly, was Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
47Poor Bush gets all the blame but none of the credit. Thanks for clarifying
and refreshing our memories.
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48"Cinco de Cuatro,"
President Barack Obama
For decades the Democrats have yelled and screamed how if you elect a Republican, that Republican will end your social security, as it turns out it is the Democrats who is the guilty party
49incorrect English, I know
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