Seattle voters' rejection of a 20-cent fee on plastic and paper bags represents a sound defeat for other efforts in U.S. cities to limit the use of the throwaway bags, plastics industry officials said Wednesday.
A referendum on an ordinance to charge the bag fee at grocery, drug and convenience stores was easily defeated in Tuesday's primary in this liberal city — whose voters are known for taxing themselves to pay for parks, libraries, affordable housing and other causes.
"If they can't do it there, they can't do anywhere," said Stephen Joseph, a San Francisco attorney with SavethePlasticBag.com, who has challenged several plastic bag bans in California.
The ordinance approved by city leaders was to start in January, but the plastics industry bankrolled a referendum to put the question to voters.
The Progressive Bag Affiliates, an arm of the American Chemistry Council, spent $1.4 million to overturn the ordinance, the largest contribution to a local ballot measure in recent history. Supporters raised about $93,000.
Heather Trim, a spokeswoman for the Seattle Green Bag campaign, said other cities will surely look to Seattle's outcome for cues on how to proceed. "They're going to think twice because they know that the ACC is willing to spend as much as needed to defeat it," said Trim, toxics program manager for People for Puget Sound. But communities and citizens will also become better aware of the industry's influence and arm themselves appropriately, she said.
Supporters argued the fee would encourage more reusable bags, cut down on pollution and waste, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The ubiquitous thin, cheap plastic bags have been blamed for littering streets, polluting oceans and harming marine life. The city's ordinance targeted both paper and plastic sacks after city officials determined that paper bags were worse for the environment.
Adam Parmer, a spokesman for the Coalition to Stop the Seattle Bag Tax, said Seattle voters rejected the bag fee because it was unnecessary, costly and the wrong approach to changing behavior. "In the middle of a recession, a tax to change people's behavior isn't the right approach. That's the message that was clearly sent," Parmer said.
Steve Russell, vice president of plastics for the ACC, said in a statement, "Like other cities that have looked at this issue, Seattle has chosen to continue to reuse plastic bags and expand recycling opportunities as the best way to fight litter and to protect the environment."
Supporters here are now considering an outright ban, Brady Montz, Seattle chairman for the Sierra Club and a spokesman for the pro-fee group, said Wednesday. He noted that San Francisco considered a fee before becoming the first city in the nation to ban plastic bags in 2007.
"We'll see far more cities going for a ban," he said. "That's probably the way the battle is going to shift.
Despite strong industry opposition, some smaller communities such as Edmonds, Wash., north of Seattle, and Palo Alto, Calif., have succeeded in passing bans on plastic bags at retail stores in recent months. David Lewis, executive director of Save the Bay, an Oakland, Calif., said many cities haven't been deterred by aggressive lobbying by plastic bag makers.
"Even if a proposal like this fails, the problem continues to grow," Lewis said. "That's why I think, ultimately, the efforts to restrict and reduce bag use will be successful."
But Joseph said other politicians, such as California lawmakers who are considering a 25-cent fee on plastic bags, should take note of the Seattle vote. "It's time they got the message that on this issue of plastic bags, the public simply doesn't agree," he said.
Karen Millen
20-cents per bag seems kind of high - any time I go to a store that has a bring your own bag credit, it's 5-cents or less.
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1"Expose thyself to what wretches feel," King Lear said, entering the mud and straw hovel of Poor Tom, "and show the heavens more just."
keep banning products will only mean more jobs lost. there are bio degradable bags and they could do a campaign on how to reuse or repurpose the bags.
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"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
20 cents does seem high! I reuse my bags....
3I agree that 20 is high, I wonder if it would have been 5 or 10 if that would have passed.
4I think 5 or 10 cents would have been more reasonable. As Steph pointed out, you only get 5 cents back when you do bring reusable bags.
5Yeah, I wonder if 5 cents would have passed. It seems like they aimed too high and wound up screwing themselves.
6When I worked at Stop and Shop years ago, they told us that each plastic bag cost them 12 cents. Each paper bag cost 18 cents. In light of that, 20 cents doesn't seem that high.
I would hate going to the store with a bag fee though. At so many super markets I got to, when I forget my reusable bags, I seem to get punished by the bagger putting everything in it's very own bag. I know people yell at them when bread gets squished or produced bruised but there has to be some kind of happy medium. I would leave the store paying $5 for plastic bags I don't want!
7I'm so cheap about things like this that I would just take my cart straight out to the car and load everything in without bags. (Well, I don't drive, but I guess in this scenario I'm buying a lot and I have a Zip Car or something.) I will spend money eating 2/3 of my meals out, but I refuse to spend money on plastic bags! I'm weird like that.
8I don't know what it is but whenever I go to Shaws or Stop and Shop, I always end up with the bagger that wants everything in it's own bag.
I never say anything because I worked in a grocery store for five years during college, so I feel like I know how annoying it is when a customer tells you how to do your job. But seriously, I don't need five bags for seven items!
Of course, if I could just remember to keep my reusable bags in my car, I wouldn't have this problem.
9Not to stray too far from the subject, but I always end up with the bagger who puts things that shouldn't be together together. Like frozen items with potato chips. I think I just get people who don't care.
1020 cents doesn't seem to bad to me. The idea is to encourage people to use reusable bags anyway, not to charge them more.
11I'm bored and was thinking about this: the problem I see is that if there's a bag fee, there's incentive for the store's to come up with ways to get you to use more bags - so even if you bring your own, they could say "oops it's full" and start pulling out their own bags, with their usual two things per bag policy. Then the customer has to start re-bagging and it just gets obnoxious.
It's easier to give a credit, I think.
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12"Expose thyself to what wretches feel," King Lear said, entering the mud and straw hovel of Poor Tom, "and show the heavens more just."
Stores in Seattle already do give a credit for bringing your own bags, Steph.
In my experience, they tend to fill up the bags you bring yourself up MORE than their own bags. I've only once had to use a store bag for "overflow"....
13I drive my Kid nuts watching baggers by home, because even if I hand them a bag and say 'everything in here' they still slip in their own bags - suddenly deciding the eggs need to be wrapped in their own plastic bag first. Once I wasn't watching and found three plastic bags in my cloth bag at home. And this year as cloth bags caught on, they suddenly stopped offering paper bags with handles - so they could put the paper in plastic!
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14"Expose thyself to what wretches feel," King Lear said, entering the mud and straw hovel of Poor Tom, "and show the heavens more just."
They usually fill my brought bags more, but I don't even waste my time with regular check out. I like to keep my head phones on and use self check out.
15Wow, Steph, that makes no sense to me. Why wrap eggs in a plastic bag?
Hey, maybe
your baggers need to come take some lessons from baggers here!
16They probably do it to watch me get steamed and my Kid get embarrassed - being a bagger can't be a real fulfilling job!
I've started to use self-checkout, but that steams me too (my poor Kid!) because they get to cut back on checkers & service, but prices don't come down.
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17"Expose thyself to what wretches feel," King Lear said, entering the mud and straw hovel of Poor Tom, "and show the heavens more just."
Steph, it sounds like you have a great relationship with your kid! I'd love to see the two of you together. (I'm being 100% serious; all of the little anecdotes you give about her and how she reacts to you are great.)
18Oh, and on the subject, I use the self check out at drug stores and the like because it's faster, but not at the grocery store. I grocery shop about once every six months. (I'm not exaggerating; I eat out or pick up one or two things A LOT.) So, when I do go, I have a ton.
In the past, I've also shopped at some stores where you can just use the boxes the food came to the store instead of using bags. (GFS is one; my family always goes there when we have parties.) I think it's a great option for places like GFS, where you're likely buying in bulk, getting a lot, and getting big items that may not necessarily fit well into your personal shopping bags. The boxes are already there; why not reuse them?
19I bring my own bags and bag my own groceries. I don't like the way the store does it. And I'm all for being responsible, but .20 is high since I only get .5 for my own bags.
Old subject, I just got a HUGE box from Bliss with 3 items in it. My dogger could fit inside and he's 15# - no joke.
20Yeah, they all know you by now, and are whispering when they see you coming through the checkout line...."hey, watch this - she's gonna flip out!" And laugh when you leave!!
You know, I tried to do the self checkout, but I always seem to pick the items that have a barcode that won't scan or isn't in the database, so then I have to wait for someone from Customer Service to help me....
21Martini, I have self checkout issues, too! I always get things that aren't light enough to set off the scales, so it tries to tell me that I haven't placed the item in the bag. Ugh. It's annoying.
22I like using boxes - they're easier for me to carry, break less and could do a couple of round trips before being sent off to the recycling center.
The Kid is a delight Lilkimbo-being her mom has really been a treat.
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23"Expose thyself to what wretches feel," King Lear said, entering the mud and straw hovel of Poor Tom, "and show the heavens more just."
I have the opposite problem with them loading up my reusables. I make a point to tell them to load them up, because I have the whole foods bags which hold a lot, and they still only fill them about half way. So even though I have like 13 reusable bags I inevitably end up with a few plastic ones.
I also have had them wrap my eggs in plastic as well as my meats and seafood.
24Hubby and I go shopping so it's easier and don't always use self-check but I do love it!
25Kim, that happens to me, too! It is so annoying!
Roar, why do you have them wrap your eggs and meats in plastic? I am curious about this!
Steph, your kid sounds great! And it sounds like you have a great parenting attitude!
26I go shopping with my wife so I can annoy her. Is that wrong?
27I don't have them do it, they just wrap things in plastic without me telling them to. It meant to be taken that it has happened to me in the past that they wrap my meats and eggs in plastic.
28Oh, ok, I misunderstood!
29No problem Martini.
30The meats I get wrapped all the time. I think its cuz of the leaking of the "juices".
One time the store manager pitched in to help finish out my bagging and asked if I wanted my chicken in plastic... I said No (I like to like on the edge I guess) and he kinda paused and looked at me like his own OCD was flaring up so I quickly said "Or you know, if you think its important!"
He looked so worry!!
UD - I don't take my husband shopping. Whenever I do we end up with about 20 bucks of imported cheese thats NOT ON THE LIST!
31I don't like to get my meats wrapped or my eggs wrapped. No plastic whatsoever please.
32Just stop providing bags. Costco does not have any bags, yet it is always crowded. Folks will quickly get accustomed to bringing their own cloth bag with them when they shop.My wife keeps several in the trunk of our car.
33To UnDave35 - not wrong at all
that's what hubby's are for.
3420c isn't that bad. Maybe Seattle doesn't have any change left for bags after the Starbucks coffees for $3.00 each? Or the ATM fees for $2.00? I think Americans are a little lazy and we need to leave our reusable bags in the car. The city dumps are getting high over here. Why not make a small change in favor of our environment? I'm surprised about the paper bags though. I thought they were OK. I thought they were burned easy and biodegradable? We are years behind with this stuff. Americans are so stubborn. I shop at Sam's and you know what? No bags there. You throw your stuff in the front seat or the back. I don't have a problem with it. I use the big Ikea bags I purchased and keep them in the car for those trips. I guess the Swedes are ahead of us there and now invading us here. We might as well do it and get it over with.
35Amber - save that box!! You can use it the next time you go shopping!
36HILARIOUS!!!!
37They definitely wrap your meats and stuff in plastic to prevent cross contamination. And I'd venture a guess that the eggs get wrapped just in case they break while in transit. I'd much rather have broken eggs in a plastic bag than all over the rest of my groceries.
I like what Costco does with the boxes, but in some grocery stores it doesn't seem like they really have the capacity to have stacks of boxes laying around.
I think incentives and positive rewarding would be much more effective. Like what Whole Foods does. Let the consumer choose from a list of charities to donate their 20 cents.
38Give discounts to the people that bring in their own bags.
bluesarahlou - that really makes much more cents!
39Grandpa, good point about Costco.
I made my own fabric bags for groceries - they're strong and washable. I have to encourage the baggers to load them up because I don't like having to get even a few plastic bags, it defeats the purpose. I also have some small mesh bags that I use for fruit and vegetables. The few times I've been to Walmart, they freak out when I've given them my bags! If they can't fit it on their circle thingy, than it puts them in a mood. You should have seen her face when I handed her the fruit in the mesh bags, I thought she was going to have a cow!
The one thing I have consistently found about bringing my own bags, is that I'm more choosy about what I buy. Anything that helps me cut down on costs is a good thing. By and large Americans can be wasteful creatures. Europeans have been carrying their own bags for decades.
40Well to be fair Americans don't HAVE to carry their own bags the way the Europeans do. I mean if most of us used public transport to get where we were going, I'm sure most of us would use our own bags in fear they would break on the way home. Since we drive everywhere, it probably doesn't occur to most people to worry about bags breaking.
Personally I like to think most people are just unaware or forgetful, not intentionally wasteful. As others have pointed out on other threads, a lot of people somewhat depend on those bags for pet waste, trash can liners, etc.
41Lil Steph and her kid are like the Gilmore Girls. It's very cool.
42I use my own bags all the time and you are right Le Etiana I am choosier when I do. I am not so quick to buy something that isn't going to fit in them. I did buy a whole case of wine the other day simply because it was easier to move a case than a bunch of awkward bags.
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