Some NWA flight attendants want to wear red dress
Northwest flight attendants want Delta to offer bigger sizes of signature red dress uniform
By Harry R. Weber, AP Airlines Writer
ATLANTA (AP) -- The union that represents flight attendants who worked for Northwest Airlines before it was bought by Delta Air Lines is crying foul over Delta's failure to offer bigger sizes for its signature red dress uniform designed by Richard Tyler.
When he was hired to create his uniform collection, Tyler said he wanted them to "look sexy and great."
The Northwest chapter of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA has filed a grievance with the world's largest airline operator, asking it to offer the red dress up to size 28. The union hopes the grievance will go to mediation in August.
The red dress currently is only offered up to size 18, though a Delta spokeswoman said the airline offers a range of outfits in other colors and styles up to size 28 that flight attendants can wear.
Patricia Reller, who handles grievances for the union's executive committee, said Friday that even if there was only one flight attendant who wore a size over 18, that person should be able to wear the stylish red dress.
"I think red is an eye-popping color and it's not subtle, and to me by not offering it in a size over 18, Delta is saying, 'We don't want you wearing that if you are over size 18,'" Reller said. "But the job isn't about being sexy. It's about safety."
Reller said she did not know how many pre-merger Northwest flight attendants want to wear the red dress but need a size bigger than 18.
"If the dress wasn't a tiny size 18, there would be less," Reller said. "It's a very small size 18, so that makes the numbers a lot larger."
Delta spokeswoman Gina Laughlin could not immediately say why the red dress is not available in bigger sizes while other uniform options are. But she said there have been few complaints.
"The majority of pre-merger Northwest flight attendants have given us very positive feedback about the Richard Tyler Collection," Laughlin said.
Delta hired Tyler in 2004 to do a makeover of its gray employee uniforms. Tyler, whose dresses have been worn by stars such as Julia Roberts, Heather Locklear and Jamie Lee Curtis, promised a classier -- and in some cases, sexier -- look for flight attendants, airport agents and other workers.
"I want them to look sexy and great, but you have to keep that classic look as well," Tyler told The Associated Press at the time.
The uniforms -- including white blouses and navy dresses besides the red dress -- debuted in 2006. Atlanta-based Delta acquired Northwest in October 2008. Pre-merger Northwest employees began wearing the Delta uniforms on March 30.
Delta said at the time it announced its plans for the new uniforms that the decision was a "wise investment" that would boost morale among employees and increase the airline's bottom line in the long run.
According to Delta, flight attendants must be able to perform the safety and security functions of their job, including being able to reach and close overhead bins, reach and close any of the aircraft doors and be able to sit on the aircraft jumpseat and fasten the flight attendants seatbelt.
Reller said a flight attendant who wears above a size 18 can do all of those functions well.
"The sizing of our red dress has not been an issue with Delta flight attendants since the program's inception three years ago. This is AFA hype leading up to the election," Laughlin said.
There are roughly 21,000 flight attendants at the combined airline, 14,000 from pre-merger Delta and 7,000 from pre-merger Northwest.
The Northwest workers are represented by a union, while the Delta workers are not. At some point there will be a representation election at which the combined workforce will decide whether it wants to be represented by a union or not. The two groups also must decide on how to integrate their seniority lists.
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I'm kind of torn on this. I would think that air flight attendants would have to maintain a certain fitness level and weight, kind of like the military. Those aisles are so narrow and I would think they would want them to be pretty fit to handle all situations. I don't know if they should offer above a size 18, meaning that maybe they shouldn't employ over a size 18. What do you guys think?
1I'm with you, HF - I didn't think that they hired flight attendants above a certain size, for the reasons you mentioned.
2Yeah and they offer the other uniforms up to a size 28. I honestly think that's too big to be an effective flight attendant.
3I thought the same thing, ladies. If 8 was the biggest size, that would be one thing, but 18 is pretty large and I don't see how someone that size could comfortably fit down the aisle. (And perform the other duties expected of a flight attendant.) Ultimately, even if there are a few flight attendants who can perform their jobs properly and are above a size 18, I think the company has the right to offer uniforms in whatever sizes they see fit. It's not as if the larger ladies don't have other options.
4I thought I read somewhere that it wasn't just for the flight attendants, that it was for all employees (like ticket agents and customer service employees).
If that's the case, they should be providing the same uniform across the board. From a 0 to a 28.
5hmmm...that would make sense. I would agree with it if that were the case. It's confusing thought because the article only refers to flight attendants.
6*it's confusing THOUGH
7I agree... if it is for ALL employees, then yes the dress should be made available 0-28. If it is just for the flight attendants, I think an 18 is substantial. I thought there were weight regulations on flight attendants as is. I'm a much bigger girl and I can't imagine having to get up and down the aisles for an entire flight, much less an emergency. Usually I'd be upset and calling it discrimination against fat people or whatever, but in this case, the smaller the employee the better they could do their job (I would think).
8OR they could start a diet to fit into size 18. Just a thought. It's not that small a size, now, is it ?
9Since was a size 18 "small"? I know it is not huge but it's not small. If it is for everyone to wear, make a size 50. Just like everyone said, how can someone over a size 18 walk smoothly up and down the aisles?
10Wait how can you be a flight attendant and wear a size 18? That's just impractical for the aisles. I've never seen a flight attendant that large. I feel like I'm missing something. Are these sizes in a different measuring system than the US system?
11I think, if you can do the job just as effectively as a smaller/fitter/taller/shorter/bluer/greener person, it shouldn't matter what size you are.
12But the problem I don't think you can. It's not just weight either it's height too. Being tall is great, just not for a flight attendant and a size 18-28 isn't just large, it's huge.
13Oh totally.
I don't think it's possible for EVERYONE to be a flight attendant. Physically or mentally. Just like I don't think it's possible for EVERYONE to be a firefighter or police officer. But if you can do it, and you're outside the norm, more power to you!
14Seriously I have a hard time maneuvering those aisles sometimes and I'm currently an 8. I just don't understand how someone above a size 18 could do the job efficiently. Normally I would fight to my last dying breath against this sort of discrimination, but in this case I think it's common sense that they should maintain a certain size.
15I agree, harmony. I regularly fly on a commuter flight from DC to Cleveland or DC to Akron and nearly everyone on the plane has a hard time maneuvering through the aisles. I'm an 8 or a 10 and I'm short and I sometimes run into the seats and hit my head!
16ok, i'm glad others feel the same way i do. i felt bad at first for thinking 18 is not small at all, especially seeing as there's not much room on those planes! i actually thought airlines did have a height/weight restriction, but i have no idea if that's truth or urban legend.
17Regardless of what airlines say, I truely believe that the flight attendents are suppose to look sexy, have a smile on their face at all times, and run around like idiots and pretend that they are great. It is a tough job having to deal with all those people.
18If they hire people that size they should make uniforms that size.
19I think the bigger issue is there are sizing problems in the clothing industry. Who among us has gone to a store and pulled out 3 or 4 items to try on in our size, only to find out one or two of them are too small in the dressing room? Or sometimes you find one or two that are too big. The article even says this particular dress is a "small" 18.
Why does a flight attendant have to look sexy? Isn't it more important that they are able to do their jobs?
20No offense to flight attendants, but I have seen very few that "look sexy." They mostly look like normal people.
When female flight attendants were FIRST trained (in the 1930's), yes they were hired for their beauty, and had to maintain a certain size, etc. But that is no longer the case.
21ya...the last flight I was on, a nice olderish (45-55) man was my attendant, and sexy isnt how i would describe him.
And the women on the KWL flight might as well have been men.
22I think genesis has a point. If they hire people that size, then they should offer the uniform in that size. Obviously they must have staff that wants the larger size so they must have hired them. If they had no problems with their size when they hired them, then they should have no problems offering them the uniform.
23I agree kas.
24Playing devil's advocate, were they tah size when they were hired? I agree that if they were, then they should provide the proper uniform for them.
25tah = that
26bah!!
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