The Growing Gap Between The Poor and The Rich

Since there seems to be a debate within 4.0 about rich vs. poor, I thought I would google and post some statistics about the growing gap between the poor and the rich. I think this is important because one of the strengths of our country over the past hundred years was our growing middle class and diminishing number of people living in poverty. Times have begun to change and larger and larger amounts of wealth are held by a smaller number of people every year.
So statistics/articles:
Recession widens gap between Rich and Poor Even Further - ASSOC. Press - 10/1/2009
The recession has hit middle-income and poor families hardest, widening the economic gap between the richest and poorest Americans as rippling job layoffs ravaged household budgets.
The wealthiest 10 percent of Americans — those making more than $138,000 each year — earned 11.4 times the roughly $12,000 made by those living near or below the poverty line in 2008, according to newly released census figures. That ratio was an increase from 11.2 in 2007 and the previous high of 11.22 in 2003.
Household income declined across all groups, but at sharper percentage levels for middle-income and poor Americans. Median income fell last year from $52,163 to $50,303, wiping out a decade's worth of gains to hit the lowest level since 1997.
Poverty jumped sharply to 13.2 percent, an 11-year high.
"No one should be surprised at the increased disparity," said Richard Freeman, an economist at Harvard University. "Unemployment hurts normal workers who do not have the golden parachutes the folks at the top have."
Analysts attributed the widening gap to the wave of layoffs in the economic downturn that have devastated household budgets. They said while the richest Americans may be seeing reductions in executive pay, those at the bottom of the income ladder are often unemployed and struggling to get by.
Between 2007 and 2008, income at the 50th percentile (median) and the 10th percentile fell by 3.6 percent and 3.7 percent, respectively, compared with a 2.1 percent decline at the 90th percentile. Between 1999 and 2008, income at the 50th and 10th percentiles decreased 4.3 percent and 9 percent, respectively, while income at the 90th percentile was statistically unchanged.
From "Recession widens gap between Rich and Poor Even Further - ASSOC. Press - 10/1/2009 http://www.nydailynews.com/money/personal_finance/2009/09/29/2009-09-29_recession_hit_middleincome_and_poor_families_hardest_widening_the_economic_gap_b.html#ixzz0ZPGnuaUE
(I think this is huge that the past decade the middle class saw a 4.3% drop in income and lower class saw a 9% drop in income - especially if you consider that our utilities and commodities such as gas, grain, rice, etc. have risen so dramatically. The upper class in the 90th percentile did not see a change in their incomes.)
Next: article/statistics from
Gap Between Rich And Poor Growing
Study Of Global Income Inequality Shows U.S. Middle Income, Poor Falling Further Behind Since 2000, Assoc. Press, 10/21/2008
The gap between rich and poor is getting bigger in the world's richest countries - and particularly the United States - as top earners' incomes soar while others' stagnate, according to a 30-nation report released Tuesday.
In a 20-year study of its member countries, the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said wealthy households are not only widening the gap with the poor, but in countries such as the U.S., Canada and Germany they are also leaving middle-income earners further behind, with potentially ominous consequences if the global financial crisis sparks a long recession.
Inequality threatens the "American Dream" of social mobility - children doing better than their parents, the poor improving their lot through hard work - which is lower in the U.S. than countries such as Denmark, Sweden and Australia, the report "Growing Unequal? Income Distribution and Poverty in OECD Countries" found.
The two decades covered in the study - 1985-2005 - saw the development of global trade and the Internet, and a period of overall strong economic growth. The countries covered are mostly developed nations, especially in Europe.
The United States has the highest inequality and poverty in the OECD after Mexico and Turkey, and the gap has increased rapidly since 2000, the report said. France, meanwhile, has seen inequalities fall in the past 20 years as poorer workers are better paid.
The OECD's Gurria urged governments to address the "divisive" issue of growing inequality. He said they should do more to educate the whole work force - and not just the elite - while helping people get jobs and increasing incomes for working families, rather than relying on social benefits.
"Greater income inequality stifles upward mobility between generations, making it harder for talented and hardworking people to get the rewards they deserve," he said in a statement. "It polarizes societies, it divides regions within countries, and it carves up the world between rich and poor."
In the United States, the richest 10 percent earn an average of $93,000 - the highest level in the OECD. The poorest 10 percent earn an average of $5,800 - about 20 percent lower than the OECD average.
Social mobility is lowest in countries with high inequality such as the United States, United Kingdom, and Italy, the report said.
From: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/21/business/main4535488.shtml
The next article is about taxes:
CB&PP: Income Gaps hit record levels in 2006, new data show rich-poor gap tripled between 1970 and 2006.
New data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) show that in 2006, the top 1 percent of households had a larger share of the nation’s after-tax income, and the middle and bottom fifths of households had smaller shares, than in any year since 1979, the first year the CBO data cover. As a result, the gaps in after-tax incomes between households in the top 1 percent and those in the middle and bottom fifths were the widest on record.
Between 1979 and 2006, real after-tax incomes rose by 256 percent — or $863,000 — for the top 1 percent of households, compared to 21 percent — or $9,200 — for households in the middle fifth of households and 11 percent — or $1,600 — for households in the bottom fifth. (See Figure 1, next page.) In 2006, the average household in the top 1 percent had an income of $1.2 million, up $63,000 just from the prior year; this $63,000 gain is nearly two times the total income of the average middle-income household. [1]
Changes in Inequality Since 1979:
The gap in income between the wealthiest Americans and all others has grown strikingly in recent decades, the CBO data show. In 1979, when the data begin, the average after-tax incomes of the top 1 percent of households were 7.9 times higher than those of the middle fifth of households. By 1989 they were 13.5 times higher.
Top incomes continued climbing in the 1990s, to 20.6 times higher than the middle fifth of households in 2000 and 21.3 times higher in 2005. By 2006, top incomes were 23.0 times higher than those of the middle fifth — nearly tripling the income gap between the top 1 percent and those in the middle since 1979.
The gap between the top 1 percent and the poorest fifth of Americans widened even more dramatically over this same period. In 1979, the incomes of the top 1 percent were 22.6 times higher than those of the bottom fifth. Top incomes continued climbing to 63.1 times higher in 2000 and 72.7 times higher by 2006 — more than tripling the rich-poor gap in 27 years.
The CBO data also show that between 1979 and 2006:
- The average after-tax income of the top 1 percent of the population more than tripled, from $337,000 to over $1.2 million. As noted, this represented an increase of $863,000, or 256 percent.
- By contrast, the average after-tax income of the middle fifth of the population rose from $42,900 in 1979 to $52,100 in 2006 — a relatively modest gain of $9,200 or 21 percent over a 27-year period.
- The average after-tax income of the poorest fifth of the population rose only from $14,900 to $16,500, an increase of $1,600 or 11 percent. [3]
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but yet government is hiring and giving exhorbitant raises to people, hmmm where is the justice?
No justice No peace, know justice know peace
get out yer torches! lets burn the rich people for being successful!
Read the numbers, CG, it's not about being successful - unless you believe there's just a teeny, weeny segment of the population capable of success, leaving the rest of us (you, Stolze, me, everyone we know, most if not all of the people we encounter daily...) in the dust.
Well if its ok to villify the poor for such extravagances as cell phones, I don't see anything wrong with going after the rich for their greed.
Great post by the way Yoga.
the rich are not paid by my tax dollars.
There are 1.9 million fed. employees, which is the same number as there was in 1963. To seriously deflect a statistic about 160 million workers because of the small number of federal employees making six figures is laughable.
It's one thing to present opposing data/statistics, but another to try and deflect by something that has no statistical relation to the statistic.
That's right, those paid by your tax dollars or benefitting from your tax dollars in the form of social services should be destitute and have a life of barely being able to acquire necessities. Isn't that just another form of greed to think that people who benefit from your taxes should not have the right to a modest life?
A CELL PHONE A LUXURY CAR AND VIDEO GAMES ARE NECCESITIES NOW!!!????? WHOS DEFELCTING NOW???
The fed article states that 19% of federal employees make over $100,000. 19% of 1.9 million is 361,000 employees. Um, yeah, that's not even 0.2% of the entire working population - not exactly a strong argument against the statistic. Again, I agree, that I'm not happy about the size of the increase in their salaries, but they really are statistically insignificant.
It shows that they would rather buy a luxury car on my dime rather than save it, invest, be ingenuitive, use theire brain. They are comfortable living the way they are on public assistance, why change your circumstances.
You are by the fact that you are trying to deny statistics that show there is a growing gap between rich and poor just because some poor people have those minor items. That's deflection, I'm sorry but it is. Now if you were to present data that shows the poor are better off, than I would consider it. But because you personally think the people who are on social services should not have cell phones or anything else you consider a luxury is not really a good argument. You are attacking the poor people for having those things rather than discuss the merits of the statistics.
There is no statistic so small as to not be of importance to me. That is the problem. My mom use to always say that her kids we nickel and diming her to death. It does add up, it is money after all. And the government takes from me to give to them. So I have a right to nitpick what they do. If they dont like it they should do as I said in the previous post, change their situation. Welfare should not be a way of life. Yes it should help people in their time of need, but those people should use their brains to figure out a way out of that lifestyle.
because I dont care about that divide. Because i am not greedy enough to think that I deserve any portion of what they have worked for.
The rich do benefit from your tax dollars.
Look how many greedy (you admit they're greed and you're okay with that) corporations have government contracts, and look at how much those contracts charge the government for products we can buy ourselves for much less, look at the local, state and federal tax breaks those corporations get.
They're rolling in our tax money.
Stolze, if you have a right to nitpick about the poor because some of them get your tax money, the rest of us have the right to nitpick about corporations and the military-industrial complex - they get hundreds times more of our tax money than poor people.
I would really like to see those who claim the poor who receive social services live extravagantly back it up with some sort of proof other than "well I see it or I work with them". Unless you work with the 25% who live below the poverty line, you are just generalizing.
I remember the last time we asked that Roar, someone had to step back from their the-poor-would-rather-bling-out-their- cars than pay for surgery claim.
I thought maybe someone might have stumble across some information.
STolze - when it comes to behaviors you don't like, you generalize and assume everyone is like that (i.e. the poor and their luxury vehicles, etc.), and yet you also try and nitpick statistics based on overwhelming numbers with an insignificant statistic about a small subset of people (0.2%).
Please pick one option and go with it. Don't generalize when it benefits your argument and then nitpick when you don't like something. You can't have it both ways.
Let's see...
LIke I said in a previous post, the welfare system in this country is horribly broken. That fact that anyone person can get welfare while working under the table, driving a luxury cars otherwise scamming the system, is 1 person too many. And people should be upset that is happening at all. And noone ever said they are living extravagently. Those are your words
Look at the numbers posted Stolze - or better yet, find actual, factual evidence to dispute them. When such a small percentage of the population is benefiting so outrageously much more than the rest, there's something horribly wrong with the economic system and it isn't the poor.
Great post, Yoga! And as for poor people taking advantage of the system, it's true that some do, but others really need the assistance. I don't mind putting in money to fund those programs because there's a chance (God forbid) that I could be on welfare one day and I would want to be taken care of.
I get that some people scam the welfare system, but that is a different topic - has no relation to a discussoin about the the gap between the poor and rich. It's such a singularly specific issue that has almost no impact on a discussion about the fact that more and more american's are becoming poorer while the rich become richer. Sorry - doesn't have any bearing on this discussion.
Your obsession with what you see in your job with a very select number of people is preventing you from looking at a much broader and encompassing problem.
Stolze - don't you find something seriously wrong with the fact that we have the third highest income gap between poor and rich out of the 30 nations that make up the OECD? We're third to Mexico and Turkey?
"Greater income inequality stifles upward mobility between generations, making it harder for talented and hardworking people to get the rewards they deserve,"
"Inequality threatens the "American Dream" of social mobility - children doing better than their parents, the poor improving their lot through hard work - which is lower in the U.S." - it is sad that people in other countries have a better chance of achieving the american dream than americans. Sorry - but that is just pathetic.
Hourly Wage Equivalent of Welfare
Hawaii $17.50
Alaska 15.48
Massachusetts 14.66
Connecticut 14.23
Washington, D.C. 13.99
New York 13.13
New Jersey 12.74
Rhode Island 12.55
California 11.59
Virginia 11.11
Maryland 10.96
New Hampshire 10.96
Maine 10.38
Delaware 10.34
Colorado 10.05
Vermont 10.05
Minnesota 10.00
Washington 9.95
Nevada 9.71
Utah 9.57
Michigan 9.47
Pennsylvania 9.47
Illinois 9.33
Wisconsin 9.33
Oregon 9.23
Wyoming 9.18
Indiana 9.13
Iowa 9.13
New Mexico 8.94
Florida 8.75
Idaho 8.65
Oklahoma 8.51
Kansas 8.46
North Dakota 8.46
Georgia 8.37
Ohio 8.37
South Dakata 8.32
Louisana 8.17
Kentucky 8.08
North Carolina 8.08
Montana 7.84
South Carolina 7.79
Nebraska 7.64
Texas 7.31
West Virginia 7.31
Missouri 7.16
Arizona 6.78
Tennessee 6.59
Arkansas 6.35
Alabama 6.25
Mississippi 5.53
http://www.cato.org/research/pr-nd-st.html
I get paid $11 per hous. So I guess welfare recipients make more than I do after all... And that was in 1995
* In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor earns. Indeed, in the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.
So?
Another thing to contemplate:
"Between 1999 and 2008, income at the 50th and 10th percentiles decreased 4.3 percent and 9 percent, respectively, while income at the 90th percentile was statistically unchanged."
When you consider the decrease in income for the bottom half of working americans from 1999 to 2008, consider how much commodities have rose in the past decade (think how expensive milk, grain, rice, gas, utilities have become).
Again Stolze, you hate poor people, ignore the fact that the rich are carting away the country.
comment 17 told me to proved evidence to back up my claim, yet now youare diverting, figures.
I dont hate poor people, I hate poor people who think they have a RIGHT to someone elses hard earned money.
so what proof do you need, want my work number, i can put you on speaker phone with the doctors and nurses i work with who can back me up on the hypocrisy that is the "poverty line" in our community.
Um, have you ever been to hawaii? I have - it's insanely expensive to live there (a burger is like $12 there) - everything costs like three times more because it has to be shipped from the mainland. So $17.50 probably barely gets by since their cost of living is so outrageous. Same probably goes for alaska.
Not all states are created equal - some have higher costs of living than others. Looking at the source of your information - the CATO institute, their goal is to increase the understanding of public policies based on the principles of limited government, free markets, individual liberty, and peace. I'm not sure how biased or unbiased the source is since it seems they have an agenda.
No CG. When we're talking about 25% of the population, you'll have to do better than the relative handful of people you know.
Two things 1) comment 15 says it all. Do people have any idea how much we spend on military contracts as well as other government contracts? That's our money. We might spend 550 billion on welfare programs but 660 billion on defense and currently 39% of defense work is done by the private sector 2) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121255451
again, attack the source .... par for the course
In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor earns. Indeed, in the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.
I want that backed up by a link so I can read it and verify it. It better be comparing individual states incomes to that state's salary for those positions because if it's comparing it to the national average, that's totally misleading and ignores a huge factor such as cost of living within a given state.
So you work with 25% of the population CG?
Hain, all your numbers prove is that average workers should be paid more. Also, I can't seem to find that the study factors in anything other than salary for workers. Does it consider any benefits that workers receive?
for the record, I lived in hawaii for 1 year. I worked at sears for $3 an hour plus 1% commission
Agree Roar
minimum wage in hawaii is $7.25 for non commission employees, so why work when you can collect welfare and get so much more.
I gave you the damn link
Um, no you want to try and present that as evidence of your argument, I want to be able to read and analyze the evidence you are presenting. You are insistent on attacking poor on welfare no matter how many times we tell you that it is minor compared to the gap between the rich and the rest of society.
If you read my comments on other posts, you will know I am against using biased sources of any type - no matter who the side is thats presenting it.
When did you work in hawaii - the past decade? Doesn't seem like it if you only made $3/hour.
"I gave you the damn link"
Was that in response to me Hain? If so, I did read the article your "damn link" sent me to and was inquiring from those posting here if maybe I was missing something. If that wasn't directed at me, please ignore this.
okay. i got it but the next time one of you use your own life to be an example i am calling you on it. K?
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