This is just interesting, so I thought I'd share.
WASHINGTON – His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.
There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive.
For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.
While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.
Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.
"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."
But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.
Federal authorities seized Hasan's computer Friday during a search of his apartment in Killeen, Texas, said a U.S. military official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.
"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."
She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.
A military official told The Associated Press that Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months. The official said Hasan had indicated he didn't want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
A second military official said Hasan's family has Palestinian roots. There have been reports that he was harassed for his Muslim religion, but the official says there is no indication Hasan filed a complaint within the military about that.
Terrorism task force agents plan to interview several of Hasan's relatives Friday, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case.
Noel Hasan said her nephew "did not make many friends" and would say "they military was his life."
A cousin, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times that after counseling soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder, Hasan knew war firsthand.
"He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," Nader Hasan said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."
Federal law-enforcement agents ordered an evacuation of the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen, Texas, Thursday night and conducted a search of his home, said Hilary Shine, director of public information for the city. She didn't say what was found during the search.
Officials said earlier that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of his computer.
Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.
Col. Kimberly Kesling, deputy commander of clinical services at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, said she had known Hasan.
"You wouldn't think that someone who works in your facility and provided excellent care for his patients, which he did, could do something like this," Kesling said. She praised his work ethic, saying, "In my personal interactions, there was never any indication he would do something like this." Kesling described him as "a quiet man who wouldn't seek the limelight" and said she was 'shocked' when she heard that he was the man suspected of carrying out the shootings.
Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.
"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.
On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."
Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.
"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."
Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.
He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. Military records show he also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg and received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.
But college officials said Friday that Hasan graduated with honors in biochemistry in 1995 and there was no record of him serving in any ROTC program.
He previously had attended Barstow Community College in Barstow, Calif., and Virginia Western Community College in Roanoke, Va., according to Virginia Tech records.
Source: Yahoo! News
Anna Sui
John Lewis
Fontanelli
like i posted in the other thread, multiple reports coming out now of him shouting "Allahu akbar"
1It seems that there were lots of questions about his mental state from a very early stage. Also, if he had gained the attention of the FBI, why was he still seeing patients and why was he even on the base? I don't get it.
2I don't get it either Martini.
3I'm just glad that he was taken alive, so he can answer the questions the authorities have.
4Nidal Hasan expressed that people were looking down on him and treating him badly because he’s a Muslim, something he has been all of his life. His friends, co-workers, and neighbors say that he’s always been a kind man – no matter what was said too him over the years.
I guess some people can only take the discrimination so long. I don't think this was done because he was wanting to be a terrorist. So far it just seems that Nidal was fed up with a lot of other things. And then having to deal with deployment into a war that he didn't believe in, just added to his mental stress.
A new press conference is coming up soon on CNN.
5I have no sympathy for anyone who claims they have been harrassed for religious reasons, HECK its a given in most religions that you will have to listen to people put you down! I prayed at a restaurant the other day and i heard "bible thumper" from another table. didnt kill them btw.
I think more details are going to emerge that this guys problem was less about being called names than his belief that this war was wrong and he didnt want to go shoot his fellow terrorists.
6I think we should be careful about reading too much into early information - so much of it turns out to be exaggerated, narrow or just plain wrong. Books have been written about the myths and misinformation about Columbine that lingered for years.
7Do we have information that he was a terrorist? That he was affiliated with terrorists in the middle east? Are you assuming this just because he is muslim CG? He was born in the US. He is a citizen just like you and I. His religion just happens to be muslim, which by the way who cares. We say "he is muslim" like the Germans said "they are jews".
For the most part, religions other than Christianity aren't treated with the same respect in the US. When things like this happen it is made even more clear what religions reigns here.
8Why does he have to be associated with Middle East terrorists to be considered a terrorist himself? Timothy McVey was a terrorist and he wasn't associated with anyone in the Middle East.
9Did want to intimidate or coerce for political purposes, was he trying to get out of going to Iraq himself, was he generally ticked off at the whole situation?
There's a lot of questions that need to be answered before we go tossing the word terrorist around, if that word is going to have any real meaning.
10"...than his belief that this war was wrong and he didnt want to go shoot his fellow terrorists."
SKB, I was resonding to this comment by CG referring to his impending deployment to the middle east.
11Did he not terrorize the soldiers on that base with his actions? Don't you think that most of the people going into Ft. Hood today are frightened about what happened? I say yes and think most people would agree.
The soldiers are government employees. By opening up on the soldiers he is commiting violence against the government.
12Did the shooter in Orlando terrorize the people he fired on today? Did the Pennsylvania gym shooter terrorize the women in that gym?
"The soldiers are government employees. By opening up on the soldiers he is commiting violence against the government."
13By this standard, every one who attends any rally protesting government actions deserves to be on a watch list and anyone who kills a government worker is a terrorist.
I believe the "fellow terrorist" thing is all wrong for now. There is NO proof of that. They just arrested the man, literally, and they're not done talking to him to find out exactly why he did the crime that he did.
Muslim does not = hate/terrorism
It is possible for a Muslim to commit a crime and it doesn't have anything to do with their religious beliefs.
14Steph, did not the DHS declare all conservatives to be terrorists earlier this year? I didn't hear anyone except other conservatives protesting this label.
15i protest that label.
16Pink, I agree that Muslim does not equal terrorism. But just because he is Muslim does not mean he has not committed a terrorist act.
17I would also protest that label, skb.
18No skb, the DHS absolutely did not declare all conservatives to be terrorists earlier this year.
It issued a warning about right wing extremist groups that might turn violent. I've been operating under the assumption that not all conservatives are potential Timothy McVeighs - would you like to correct that assumption?
19That’s true *Skb* but must we blame him for being a terrorist before we know the facts? He hasn’t spoken yet.
Too many people are making assumptions because he’s Muslim. If he was a Christian then the word terrorism would have most likely NEVER have been said.
20Pink, if he were a Christian, we would never have known that - the only reason his religion was mentioned is BECAUSE he was Muslim.
21Exactly.
22People cannot separate the terrorist of 9/11 from other good Muslims that are alive today. Muslims are not treated as individuals now - they are treated as a whole, especially when an incident like this happens.
23"Pink, if he were a Christian, we would never have known that - the only reason his religion was mentioned is BECAUSE he was Muslim."
24I know we don't always agree but how can you NOT agree with that? It's so obvious to see. Outsiders are so blunt about how much they dislike all Muslims.
25I disagree about his religion being mentioned only because he was muslim. It had to do with why he was upset about his deployment and why he was upset with the way he was treated. It was a valid point. and what about the polygamy sect in texas that was raided. They made a it a point to say which religion they were, because it goes to the possible reasons behind circumstances. People like to say don't be quick to jump to assumptions about his intentions, but you are all quick to jump to assumptions about everyone elses intentions for mentioning religion!
26And last time I checked he was in a coma, how was he being questioned I wonder.
27I disagree that his religon is only being mentioned because he is Muslim. Right now they're just flooding out all the information they have, just trying to make sense of it all. If they said he was black (if he was black) it wouldn't be racism, it would just be trying to get an accurate picture of this person. Not to mention that more often than not I've heard the references of his religion to be connected to the supposed discrimination than links to terrorism.
And when nutjobs shoot up abortion clinics we ALWAYS hear about what religion they are. Muslims don't own 100% of religious discrimination.
28I agree. If he was never a Muslim then his religion would have never been mentioned. And if it was then it would NOT have been so soon.
The media and the public, didn't wait long enough to see what FACTS they did know, before yelling out the charge of 'he's Muslim, mad, and this is just how they act'
29where exactly did you see someone in the media say he's muslim, mad, and this is just how they act?
i think that would be front page news.
30Put all of their comments together and that's what has been said...BEFORE any facts came out about him. No one was sure about anything but they judged his reasoning/actions on that TOO soon.
31Ok so no one actually said that, thats just how your interpret it?
32Ok so what are you not getting here. I'll say it another way for you, although it's the same thing.
Look, if you add all of things up that was said, yes, that IS what was said. The public and media judged this man TOO early on the first day.
I agree with Roarman, Stephley, Pinknc, and Martini on alot of things in the matter. Muslims are looked down on TOO quick even when they're innocently walking down the street.
Look at all the assumptions that are made simply because of the way they are dressed.
33And I'll say it again, no one actually said what you said they did. You simply took bits and pieces and read between the lines, but the quotes aren't actually there. You're assuming that what you think is thier intention. That is your assumption, that is not fact.
34Yes, plenty of people did say these things but you will never claim to seeing it this way, so there is no point in going on and one about it within this post. It was a few quotes/words put shortly into one - for you on this blog.
You are clearly one of the people on the right...in more ways than one
You will
never see Muslims as we do first. They are indivduals and should not be judge so quickly because one of them or even a few of them, has done wrong.
35I find it curious that you follow "You are clearly one of the people on the right...in more ways than one" obviously a judgement with "You will never see Muslims as we do first. They are indivduals and should not be judge so quickly"
I suppose people on the right are not individuals and should be judged quickly.
36I think you want to argue tonight haus but I am not in mood for this. Especially since what I said was pretty clear and to the point to begin with in my FIRST post.
What I said stands. When it comes to Muslims they are treated in a worse matter since 9/11. This mans religion would NOT have been brought up so quickly if he was another religion.
37And as I mentioned before, if it was an abortion clinic, his religion would have been brought up immediately and it wouldn't have been Muslim.
38Before I even knew he was muslim I thought it was terrorism, muslims DO NOT OWN that word either. The first thing I heard is that the gunman was shot and 2 others were in custody. I thought it was like a coordinated attack, which seems to lean more towards terrorism and less towards crazy person who snapped. IT COULD HAVE BEEN DOMESTIC TERRORISM!!!!
39And being muslim is looked at differently by some because last time I checked, i don't know any others that are killing people in the name of their God.
Can you name the religions of five people who have attacked abortion clinics? I can't, I've only heard about their political affiliations.
As for whether anyone in the media has had something negative to say about Muslims in connection with the Ft. Hood shooting: Saturday, under the headline "The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude," Michelle Malkin referred back to one of her 2003 columns as she linked the Ft. Hood suspect to Muslim soldiers who, according to Malkin, are "suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security" and referencing "Muslim sniper" John Muhammad and "Muslim US soldier Hasan Abujihaad."
On Fox & Friends, Gretchen Carlson asked if the military is so politically correct right now to be careful about treatment of Muslims that the military would have allowed this to go by?"
Same show, Brian Kilmeade asked if it's time for the military to have special debriefings of Muslim Army civili -- officers, anybody enlisted?" "Because if I'm going to be deployed in a foxhole, if I'm going to be sitting in an outpost, I've got to know that the guy next to me is not going to want to kill me."
40so Michelle Malkin is the media now?
And Stephley, when I hear the news about abortion clinic attacks 99% of the time they mention their christian religion. What does political affiliation have to do with their religious beliefs that it is murder. Are there not pro life democrats and pro choice republicans? That is shifting focus from the real discussion to fit your interpretation of the situation, and it just isn't the truth.
And I would be concerned 100% about the person sitting next to me in a foxhole. Just the same as I would have been if there was an asian sitting next to me in a foxhole in vietnam!
41Especially when we have had intelligence that said that scenario is a likely terrorist plan.
Yeah, Malkin is media.
Their political affiliations with anti-abortion groups is usually mentioned, not whether they are Baptist, Catholic etc. Face it, with most white Americans, Christian of some sort is the safe assumption - but I can't think of any time that it was stated - and I wrote about anti-abortion violence for at least three news networks.
"Just the same as I would have been if there was an asian sitting next to me in a foxhole in vietnam!"
42And you see nothing wrong with this statement???
What would have done in WWII if you had to share a foxhole with a blond-haired blued American? How could you have been certain his grandparents weren't German?
Just the same as I would have been if there was an asian sitting next to me in a foxhole in vietnam!
Hain...do you realize how xenophobic that makes you sound? Maybe it's not exactly what you meant, but I'm pretty surprised to hear you say that.
43Racist comments are not allowed by the Sugar network, nor are they allowed in this community. Please be careful with your remarks. No religion, race, or ethnicity has a monopoly on crazy in this country.
44are you referring to me? ts?
In vietnam , they had MANY cases when the enemy would infiltrate the troops. That is not racists to think about the person sitting next to you COULD be the enemy.
There has been intelligence NOW that has stated that terrorist could be planning on infiltrating our military, that is not racist to be suspicious of ANY person sitting next to you. Not just "brown" people. ANYONE can be a muslim!
And if I were in Germany and the person sitting in my foxhole had a GERMAN accent and blond hair and blue eyes I would be suspicious.
I ask all of you to look up the definition of racist before you throw it out there. I do NOT think any race is SUPERIOR!!!! And nothing I said says that either.
And newsflash !!!! catholics and baptist are both christian!!!
45If I heard that a serial killer was roaming my neighborhood, wearing a red sweatshirt, I would think everyone in a red sweatshirt was THAT serial killer. I think that "race" is just a description of the person in question.
46
47asking a question is not an accusation.
we can't be so PC as to let everything go by and not investigate for fear of looking racist or whatever.
it is sort of a sad irony that that overy PC attitude could be what allowed this to happen.
48also i don't think its any better to jump to conclusions based on someones politics as it is based on their skin color or religion. for arguments sake, lets act as if every time there's a shooting at an abortion clinic the shooter's religion isn't brought up (which i think is totally false, but whatever), the argument from you steph seems to be that his politics are and thats ok.
ok so its ok to automatically assume it's some far right looney toon, without knowing that, but its bad to assume that this guy who is muslim could possibly be a radical? that's very hypocritical in my view.
either it's ok to jude everyone or its not ok to judge anyone.
49You're taking one point and running it in circles.
I didn't say it was okay to assume someone is a far right looney without evidence.
When someone who attacks an abortion clinic is positively identified as say, a follower of Randall Terry - a political affiliation - that's information that gives some indication about the person's thinking. Randall Terry has talked about burning Reid & Pelosi in effigy: his followers could reasonably be seen as people who might attack an abortion clinic.
There are more than a billion and a half Muslims and a two billion Christians spread throughout the world. There are more than 35,000 Christian sects; at the very least there are 150 Muslim sects. So, saying someone who does something bad is a Muslim or a Christian doesn't tell anyone a whole lot about them.
Unitarian Universalists are identified as Christians, but they're real unlikely to be found shooting up abortion clinics.
Racing to judge someone on stereotypes of any kind is foolist. Making judgments based on actual, detailed information makes sense.
50Post A Comment
To post comments, please log in or register.