WASHINGTON – The Democrats' control of a hefty majority in the Senate — plus the House — would suggest that President Barack Obama is within reach of overhauling the nation's health care system this fall.
But the numbers mask a more complicated reality: Obama and Democratic leaders have modest leverage over several pivotal Senate Democrats who are more concerned about their next election or feel they have little to lose by opposing their party's hierarchy.
One is still smarting from being forced to abandon next year's election. Another had to leave the Democratic Party to stay in office. And some are from states that Obama lost badly last year.
These factors will limit the president's ability to play his strongest card — an appeal for party loyalty and Democratic achievement — in trying to muster the 60 votes his allies will need this fall to overcome a Republican filibuster in the 100-member Senate.
When lawmakers face a tough vote, their uppermost thought is "survival," said Alan Simpson, a Wyoming Republican who spent three terms in the Senate.
On a very few occasions, Simpson said, then-President George H.W. Bush asked him to cast a vote likely to cause him political problems back home. That was perhaps three times in 18 years, said Simpson, who held a GOP leadership post. "I swallowed hard and went over the cliff," he said.
But it's a sacrifice that presidents and party leaders should not count on, he said.
The Democratic leaders' limited leverage will complicate the push for allowing the government to sell insurance in competition with private companies. Some Senate Democrats who oppose the idea are from states that voted heavily against Obama last fall.
Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln faces a potentially tough re-election race next year in Arkansas, where Obama lost to Republican John McCain by 20 percentage points. She says she will base her health care votes on what is best for Arkansans.
Choice and competition among insurers are good, Lincoln said, but "I've ruled out a government-funded and a government-operated plan."
Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, where Obama lost by a similar margin, said she might be willing to let some states try "fallback or trigger" mechanisms that would create a public option if residents don't have enough insurance choices.
But she told reporters, "I'm not for a government-run, national, taxpayer-subsidized plan, and never will be."
Another Democratic senator, who also may prove wary of Obama's overtures, takes the opposite stand.
"I would not support a bill that does not have a public option," said Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill. "That position will not change."
Burris' willingness to bend could prove crucial this fall if Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., need every possible vote in crafting a compromise, such as a national public option that is triggered if certain insurance availability targets aren't met.
But Burris may be in no mood to play ball. Obama and other top Democrats sharply criticized his appointment to the Senate in December by an ethically tainted governor, Illinois' Rod Blagojevich, and they forced Burris to abandon hopes of winning election in 2010 by making it clear they would not back him.
In short, Burris, 72, has virtually nothing to lose by defying his party's leaders and voting as he pleases.
Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut is another potentially crucial senator with tenuous ties to the Democratic Party's hierarchy. Rejected by Connecticut's Democratic voters in the 2006 primary, he kept his Senate seat by running as an independent. He now calls himself an Independent Democrat.
Lieberman has criticized the health care bill that emerged from the Senate Finance Committee, but it and other health bills are undergoing changes.
Another centrist Democrat whose vote is uncertain is Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana, a political battleground state.
"I want to know what works for families and small businesses," said Bayh, adding that he might back public insurance options run by states, not the federal government.
It's possible that Obama and party leaders eventually will ask Democrats such as Bayh, in the name of party loyalty, to vote to block a GOP filibuster of a health bill even if they plan to vote against the bill on final passage. The strategy might enable Democrats to muster the 60 votes needed on a crucial procedural question and then pass the bill with a simple majority.
Bayh said that if a party leader "is asking some of us to enable the passage of legislation that we think would be harmful to the people of our state, I don't think that's a fair thing to ask."
It's possible that centrist Democrats are holding out for favors from Obama and party leaders, such as pet projects for their states or help in their next campaign. Obama already has lavished special attention on some of them.
He invited Bayh to the White House last week for a chat about health care and the deficit. In an interview that led to good publicity back home, Bayh told Indiana reporters that the president "was asking for my leadership on both of those issues."
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Karen Millen
Dems have a clear majority and an easy victory if they would all vote for this. Instead of recognizing this, Obama and his staff choose to attack republicans. As if they are really what is holding this bill up. I cannot believe how childish this white house is! And what is worse is how many people are defending them.
1When lawmakers face a tough vote, their uppermost thought is "survival," said Alan Simpson, a Wyoming Republican who spent three terms in the Senate.
A sad truth.
2It's possible that Obama and party leaders ...
It's possible that centrist Democrats are holding out for favors ...
Sure, it's possible. But I am not aware of any facts to support this possibility.
3Amy, comment #2 it is sad isn't it? republicans and democrats care more about their political solvency rather than doing what they were elected to do which is represent their constiuency and not pander to their respective parties. Like I have no problem with the Maine senators voting yes on healthcare if that is truly what their constituents want. Obama promised a different kind of white house, one that wasnt the same old politics in washington. I have to admit, that was the one thing I was looking forward to in his presidency. I really thought he wouldn't stoop to the levels he is stooping to now.
4What everyone in the political spectrum will stoop to these days is pretty ridiculous. Its not just Obama the Dems, its everyone. If the actual politicans are getting childish then its no surprise the pundits and radio hosts are getting as outlandish as they are.
5These matters are always as much about horse trading and arm twisting as they are about doing anything good, and the childish behavior's been going on for decades if not longer.
6Yes but as I stated, I expected, as many others did, that Obama was about changing the white house to something better. Of everything, I believed that he would do this. I am disapointed, but you will probably tell me I dont have the right to be because Im an "Obama hater"... I remember seeing a video of Obama from early in the dem primary. Although I didsagree with his policies, he was talking about there is no need for divisiveness and that republican democrats all of us can come together to heal the nation. I made my husband watch it and he was cynical and said yeah right he is just trying to get votes... I honestly believed Obama. I still wouldn't vote for him because I think his policies are bad for our nation. But i am so sad to say my husband was right. Its politics as usual and Obama is just another slimy politician.
7Obama has tried repeatedly to reach out to and hear the republican party.
8No Roar, it was all an act. And even if it wasn't, he maybe tried for 3 months before he got on his republicans are all bad and the party of NO BS.... 3 months??? Come on now, it was a ruse. And one that people shouldn't fall for.
9Obama hasn't been in office a year Hainan - did you think he was going to magically make everyone better? The Republican Party has hardly been receptive to anything Obama has done - members have even spoken publicly about intentionally blocking legislation in order to totally derail him. And the Far Right wouldn't care if Obama walked on water, they hate him and won't work him on anything.
10If Obama waited three months that was tolerant of him, because in February - 2 months in - Republicans were bragging that not one of them voted for the Stimulus they've enjoyed doling out.
11IT DOESNT MATTER STEPH--- he is politics as usual, justify it how you wish, but he disappointed me. I AM entitled to my opinion. I really thought that he would give it more than an "Oh well I tried" half assed attitude. You cannot blame everything on the republicans or the situation.... sometimes you have to own up for your own actions.
12No one's denying your right to have an opinion, simply responding to things you've said - as you have responded to others here.
13You seem to blame Obama for everything, without acknowledging that some Republicans have been obstructionist and some on the far right simply hate Obama. If Democrats have to own up, shouldn't the other side?
Republicans never claimed to change Washington or the White House, they didn't run on a feel good platform of hope and change. I never watched a video of a green around the ears candidate on the republican side who spoke of a cohesiveness on capitol hill. Sorry, cant compare the two
14sorry green behind the ears candidate
15And he is, ahem, the POTUS, he needs to accept some responsibility about setting the tone in the US>
16How have the republicans been obstructionist? They don't have the power to obstruct anything. That's like saying the democrats were obstructionist because they didn't agree with the policies early in the Bush admin when the republican party had a similar situation. The difference here is that the republican party was better organized, worked together, and had a similar vision/goal for the country. The Dems don't have that at this point.
17I think the turning point for me was the "I won" comment
18President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning — but he also left no doubt about who’s in charge of these negotiations. “I won,” Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.
He doesn’t need Cantor’s help very much and is unlikely to get it. The House operates very much along party lines and Cantor is a fiscal conservative who’s not going to get sweet talked into a giant boondoggle whose main purpose is to “do something.” But, given that Obama desperately wants broad support for his stimulus package so as to spread the blame if things don’t go well, he’ll need to compromise and give Republicans some concessions.
19But leaving that meeting saying something to the effect of "I won" shows your true intentions that it was all a show and not more.
Dave, they didn't vote for the Stimulus Pkg but gladly take credit for any benefit, they've put forth lie after lie about health care reform but cry when someone like Grayson uses their own tactics against them, they're lying about cap & trade and climate change... There's no coming to the table ready to negotiate at all - and Obama has gone up to the Hill and had GOP members to the WH several times.
The Republican vision led us to economic crisis, two wars and deep social division. Thanks much y'all!
Hainan, no president can change Washington by himself, and certainly can't change people who don't want to change.
20That was in January
21big effort there
22Is there anything Obama has done that you approve Hain?
23yep the letter to the boy and easing off of Marijuana raids... to name a couple. Is there anything he has done that you dont approve of??? good lord!!!!! I knew it was going to come to this, like I said you would say i don't have a right to be disappointed because I am an Obama "Hater" and here it has come to just that, so much for a different climate in 4.0
24Republicans offered so many ideas on health care and the Dems shot down every single one of them
Bipartisanship is TWO way street. If Dems want bipartisanship then they will ACTUALLY compromise and use some ideas from the Pubs, otherwise it is THEY who are being obstructionist.
25Hainan, no one's picking on you. You're claiming Obama disappointed YOU, that you were ready to see change and now you see Obama's just a slimey politician.
You've aggressively criticized the man and realistically, if in 10 months, all you can point to are the letter and the marijuana raids, then it's clear that Obama was never going to please you. He's encouraged people to volunteer, he's reached out to other countries, he's encouraged children to study hard...
I don't like that Obama hasn't kicked Wall Street in the arse, I don't like that he's even considering sending more troops to Afghanistan, I don't like that he's said he'll accept health care reform without a public option.
26i wish he would have reached out to the republican party the way he did to other countries, that would have made me happy. and I mentioned recent topics off the top of my head. I also had many positive comments about his speech to school children. I even recorded it and had my daughter watch it after school when they didnt show it there. Volunteering is great, but not when it is forced upon people or given rewards for doing it such as a ticket to disneyland. And because I disagree with a lot of his policies, that means i am never allowed to criticize the man, get over yourself, you criticize Bush and republicans 24/7. He disappointed me, obviously you dont care if the man keeps his words or even acts like he gives a sh*t about anything other than himself... I had ONE expectation or hope from him, that he would try and mend this country and all he has done is divide us! I will never shut up about that as long as I live and I don't care how much people say I don't have the right to say it because i am a "hater"
27You proved me right from the get go. I knew that instantly it would turn into a "you can't complain you don't like anything he does" argument instead of talking about the actual argument itself.
"Instead of recognizing this, Obama and his staff choose to attack republicans. As if they are really what is holding this bill up. I cannot believe how childish this white house is!"
The article posted is about Democrats who might not support health care reform. If this is your first comment on the topic, how can it not be seen as an attack on Obama?
"that means i am never allowed to criticize the man, get over yourself, you criticize Bush and republicans 24/7. He disappointed me, obviously you dont care if the man keeps his words or even acts like he gives a sh*t about anything other than himself..."
28And that's just personal
I don't like that he's said he'll accept health care reform without a public option. well thats all just a game anyways... he will get the public option that will eventually shut down one of the biggest industries in the US put lots of people out of private work and into government work maybe woon we will be like denmark where 20% rely on government for income and 35% work for the governmetn, so over half are on the public dole.
29let's keep it on topic and not personal.
30Yeah because that is the first thing I thought about because of the previous post about how republicans and fox news are the scourge of the earth with is totally deflecting attention to someone else, he is not healing or helping anything. Instead of seeing how many dems are still out on this bill and just saying we need to work together, he and other dems single out repubs in nearly every comment. How would you expect me to feel when I REALLY thought Obama would be better than that
31And i can disagree with 100% of his policies and still can have an expectation that he would be a good honest human being.
32I think thats an intersting point Hain.
I too was not an Obama fan. But I don't think you need to love the guy to have to have wanted him to truly be bipartisan and change the tone. I mean, I think MOST americans wanted that regardless of the aisle.
I don't see why being disapointed that that's not actually happening is summed up with being a hater. I mean, you can not agree with someone 100% of the time but still hope that he comes through with some of his ideas.
Plus I think a lot of Pubs want their image to get better, I think a lot of them WANT to compromise. I think a lot of them know that's better, but again, compromise is a two way street. Compromise is not Dems get everything they want and Pubs just have to deal.
33He he, I love how you said that Republicans never said they would change Washington. Of course they wouldn't because they definitely don't want to. They don't want health care reform, they don't want restrictions on Wall Street, they don't want anything to change.
34We want things to change back to how the constitution laid them out, which seems to be beneath democrats, as my sister said, "I don't want a bunch of old dudes from a long time ago deciding my future." YOU WOULDNT HAVE A FUTURE IF NOT FOR THOSE MEN AND THAT DOCUMENT!!!
35Oh wait they want one thing to change, they want to stop all funding the ACORN. Its really high up there on the priority list to fix this country, to not allow that horrible organization to get that million or two they get a year.
36Oh right right, to how the Constitution laid them out. Very very specific goals. Let's bring it back to those times, when women couldn't vote and slavery was legal. More freedom for everyone!
37And i am for some sort of healthcare reform, as are many republicans, so don't lump them all in one category. I just like to lean on small changes and give them a chance to work, kind of like just changind the pulls on your cabinet doors can change the whole feel of your kitchen, or maybe refacing the cabinets... Not everything needs a drastic overhaul, and the only reason that the healthcare thing is happening is because Obama wants single payor ( regardless of what he says now and his change of view in a matter of months) and he has to do it big and let it fail to prove that we "need" single payor.
38Is it really productive to toss back and forth barbs that generalize everyone in an entire party?
39comment 37
come one now! that what the dems do.... I expected more out of an independant.
Thats right, I don't want to be able to vote or own property, YOU ARE SOOOOOO RIGHT!
40I would like to invoke the power of bacon and bring some peace to this post:

41Ok I was a little outlandish but seriously, I've heard nothing from the Republicans about how they want to change anything. Its more about fighting to stop anything the Dems might want to do. Not that everything the Dems want to do is right, but how come more of the GOP couldn't take a line from Snowe's playbook on healthcare? That's a gesture of good faith.
42It's not a gesture of good faith to say you will vote yes on something, just to give them their way, if you really think the whole thing is not good, a gesture of good faith is, let's sit down and talk. i am talking about writing comprehensive bills, not just voting yes on a dem project so when a repub project comes up maybe the dems will vote yes, that is the same old washington crap. Sit down, do your jobs and hash out a *gasp* compromise
43Well Pubs have given ideas, have put forth their own bills... so if you've only heard about them fighting to stop the Dems then i think that's the news source, because that makes for much more interesting nightly news.
as for snowe, well, why should pubs have to extend a hand? esp. once every idea they had was stripped from the bill. i don't the majority of dems would have extended a hand in that case either.
44I get my news from NPR, CNN, and BBC, where should I be getting my news from? I don't have any republican federal legislators anymore so I'm not seeing any of their newsletters either.
45Why should they extend a hand? Why should Obama? You can't in one breath (comment #33) criticize him for not being as bipartisan as you like and then say that its ok for the Republicans to do the same thing. That's hypocritical. Both sides could be doing more.
46Oh Mydia, you should pick a couple of GOP members of Congress and subscribe to their newsletters - it's very enlightening. I get RNC newsletters and a couple of conservative talkers' too.
47Can you recommend some names? Not the crazy southerners please (ok, maybe 1 of them)
48See, Snowe is going to have the power to make changes on the bill because her vote is going to be so desired! That's a good card to be able to play.
49She already did amy, she had concerns that were specifically addressed because she was willing to listen and work with others on them. She probably had more influence than most Dem senators. Not that she is happy with that, she even said that if further concerns are not more concretely addressed in the details she could change her mind. How novel!
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