"Fox News and their Republican Collaborators are the enemy of America. They're the enemy of anyone who cares about health care in the country. The enemy of anyone who cares about educating their children. They're the enemy of anyone who wants energy independence. They're certainly the enemy of anyone who cares about peace."

Anyone who has not been indoctrinated into the faith-based theology of the right knows this. The Republican party is nothing but an obstructionist lunatic fringe. They are the enemy of getting ourselves out of this terrible mess we're in.

This isn't to say I think all conservative ideas are the enemy of America, just this particular version of the Republican party.

what a nutjob!

All this BS about Fox News and this seemingly "enemies list" the WH is putting together just comes off as flailing temper tantrums.

Not everyone agrees with you WH. Deal with it.

Care to attack the idea and not the person? I think his further comments are about how the Republican party does nothing but character assassinate people.

See comment 3.

Republicans character assisinate people? The WH has been smearing an ENTIRE network, not to mention it's usual character assisnations. I mean really, it's laughable that they would even cast a stone. Who do they think their fooling? Cuz I'm willing to bet most people aren't buying it.

I cannot think of a single person the WH has character assassinated. They ran the cleanest campaign I can ever think of, and have conducted themselves with an amazing amount of class.

When I listen to Marc Levin, he definitely character-assainates Nancy Pelosi, calling her "stretch" because of the facelift she had. He does the same for Harry Reid. Ditto for Limbaugh and the bullies of your party.

If the WH wants to act like kids on a playground, whatever.

Whats infuriating to me is my worry that they actually BELIEVE this stuff. That they won't take any responsibility for the fact that maybe they messed up. Maybe they aren't as transparent as people expected them to be. Maybe they aren't as bipartisan as was expected. Maybe people's attitudes have changed a bit and they aren't being heard. And that's the fault of Fox News??

Because GOD FORBID it could ever be the fault of Obama himself and his staff and a Dem led Congress. I mean that's just impossible.

I don't expect them to say, Hey we effed up on whatever issue. Bush never did that so I don't expect it from them either. But what I do expect is that they stop acting like toddlers blaming everyone else for their own problems.

love the video, where MSNBC has NO shame, "No Guts No glory!"

Why isn't Obama calling MSNBC a perpective and not a news organization, simply because they are on his side. Grow up! This is like playground antics. Grayson is following the bullies lead.

are you kidding?

glenn beck, sarah palin, joe wilson, a lowly Cambridge cop, EVERYONE on Fox News, anyone against healthcare reform (you know, the "racists")... all character assisnated courtesy of the WH and others in the DNC.

Maybe you just don't care because you don't see these people as people.

It's hard to have a conversation when one person is just shouting. That's the fault of Fox News, and Republicans in general.

You know if Fox News was SO powerful, wouldn't we have a republican president right now? Wouldn't we have failed the healthcare bill months ago? wouldn't we have a republican led congress?

That's the problem with this argument, its whining over how Fox News ruins them, but they're all in power. How has anything been ruined?

Not to mention the numerous polling and studies which have gone to show that 50-60% of Fox's audience is made up dems or independents.

I'm just dumbfounded. In terms of strategy, I don't see what they get out of this and I don't know who in the admin thinks this is a great idea but that person needs to be canned.

So true *Space*

oh and btw i don't expect them to not defend themselves against misinformation, i just expect it to be done in a classier way. in a.... oh i don't know... presedential kind of way? not a playground kind of way...

i'm sorry but i've seen PLENTY of dems shouting their opinions over everyone elses.

no one is innocent here. no one is better than the other.

You know, HausFrau - I'm new to Citizen 4.0, so I'll tell you this directly. I also don't have conversations with people that just shout at me. I have no interest in an argument. There are many conservatives on the Sugar network who are quite polite.

Wow, claiming that ONE group is the source of all the problems facing the nation? Not exactly productive or true.

who's shouting? if you didn't have interest in an argument then why did you post this here instead of in liberalsugar?

i have to say though, i'm really impressed with the newspapers and news channels who have expressed concern over this white house tactic. it's nice to see that they realize the broader implications to this tactic and that they too could have their time in the stocks.

this is a riot! I'm extremely proud to be a member of the so-called "enemy" that is united against socialist principles. I'm proud to stand up against those who want to wreak havoc on my freedom and liberty.

what a bunch of whiners.

Haus, Think you have to be a member of liberal sugar to post in liberal sugar.

i agree with haus, if you're so biased Space, why post this in citizen? go post in lib sugar. you aren't looking for debate (which is what citizen is about), by posting that mess here.

This is a place where we debate, if you don't want a debate, she can simply post a blog to her page.
I simply cannot understand how people are justifying these tactics like "this" is good for the nation. This just divides more. So I think these kind of attacks are far more the enemy of the US than republicans or fox news, keep up the liberal mantra, attack the source... Not the actual facts presented in front of you.

Anybody else remember when some liberals said the Ann Coulter articles that were titled "Liberal Lies" didn't belong in Citizen? And we were all told to basically suck it up because we decided not to limit sources?

But now a person who isn't even a member of Liberal Sugar is being told that she should be posting in Liberal Sugar?

Oh dear.

I have voted for only two Democrats in my life. John Kerry and Barack Obama. I spent most of my life as a Registered Republican. I've read every book Bill O'Reilly has ever written. I voted for George Bush in 2000. I have watched countless hours of Fox News. I have even worked in DC for a Republican senator.

I am not biased, I am just disgusted with this iteration of the Republican party.

i think you should be able to post anything news related kastarte. but when people start out their posts saying they agree all republicans are ENEMIES of America, then they aren't looking for debate at all. They're looking to make people mad and angry.

Yes, to remind, everything can be posted in 4.0.

What I said was " if you didn't have interest in an argument then why did you post this here instead of in liberalsugar?"

I think we all realize that if you don't want an argument, you're better off posting the inflammatory stuff in ConservativeSugar or LiberalSugar.

And I beleive the poster of the Ann Coulter articles had a good sized argument. So no, no bias here.

good sized argument meaning in the comments on her posting. plenty of debate on that thread!

Kas' point is that spacekate is not a member of liberal sugar, so she wouldn't be able to post there. I also agree that this is inflammatory, but we did agree a while back to let anyone post anything. Maybe we should rethink that stance?

I think it's very interesting that you're doing the same bully tactics they're talking about in the clip.

There's a clear difference between *true debate* and then just *baiting someone for an arguement that you clearly know will turn into a personal attack*

That's not making someone feel welcome to visit your group, on any given day.

Wow, claiming that ONE group is the source of all the problems facing the nation? Not exactly productive or true.

Martini - that's exactly what I was thinking. I just hate how everything is so bi-polar.

I agree posting this was asking for someone to call it out and defend the republicans, so lets not be surprised when they do.

I don't think people are meaning to be bullies, but when a title says Republicans are enemies of America you have to expect the Republicans of the group to defend themselves.

Without my moderator hat on, I have no problem with this post, just with the suggestion that it wasn't meant to provoke an argument. It clearly was/is. I don't think any of us wouldn't say it's inflammatory. So I'm merely suggesting that if one is not looking for an argument, then its better to post in a group made up of only like minded people because then the poster would actually get what they wanted. I'm not suggesting it in a "you can't post here!" kind of way, just in a "if that's what you're looking for, then this might be better" kind of way.

I don't recall the poster of the Ann Coulter posts having the same objection - not looking for an argument. So I don't see them as the same.

That being said, once again, all posts are welcomed in 4.0 but I think it's safe to assume that 99% of posts will get an argument. So if you're not into that, you might find what you're looking for somewhere else.

This kind of rhetoric isn't productive. I guess if it energizes the base, then it did what it was supposed to do. But, frankly, I would be embarrassed to think this kind of thing was anything but simple minded bickering.

You cannot defend yourself in a moral tactful way. Other than that it makes you look bad.

I do disagree Haus. I see the Liberal Lies posts being the same as this Republican Enemy post. I don't like either one of them frankly, but if we'll allow one we have to allow the other.

Woe that word came out wrong. I meant....

"You CAN defend yourself in a moral tactful way. Other than that it makes you look bad."

Back on topic, like Org mentioned, this is clearly meant to rally the base... which is great I guess but not at the expense of alienating others that otherwise support you.

I mean geesh! I think we all have learned that catering to the base at the expense of independents is a FAIL by watching the actions of the GOP in recent years.

You can defend yourself without being a bully. Or, at least, one might hope you could.

I think if you look at the exact WH comments about Fox News, it was that they had a point of view to promote. I think Rupert Murdoch himself said that he was starting Fox News to promote a certain point of view. I don't see why this is something contentious.

HF - I'm not saying this shouldn't be allowed. I've never said that, I've said now 3 times that everything is allowed.

I'm just saying that if you post something inflammatory whether it be this or Ann Coulter or whatever, expect a debate.

OK, wow...

And I have to agree with Kas, this is no different from the MULTIPLE "More Liberal Lies" postings that were posted in 4.0.

And Org is right, this isn't productive. There are bigger issues at work and both the White House AND FoxNews need to squash the us v. them mentality!

Its contentious because most networks are promoting a certain point of view, some more clearly than others like Fox and MSNBC.

If the WH was calling out MSNBC as well this would be a nonissue.

This isnt productive, its meant to draw an even bigger line in the sand.

Space, I think it's a point of contention because The White House and democrats are clearly only calling out this 'point of view' network because they disagree with them. MSNBC is just as bad about selling a point of view, but the WH didn't mention them. They are trying to use the bully pulpit to embarrass a news network. Do you see why that might be unnerving?

I don't think Grayson is saying anything remotely brave,unique, or true in this statement. He is promoting a party-approved point of view.

"I do disagree Haus. I see the Liberal Lies posts being the same as this Republican Enemy post. I don't like either one of them frankly, but if we'll allow one we have to allow the other."

Exactly Harm and Tia. This isn't anymore divisive then articles titled "Liberal Lies" and I believe the amount of comments on those posts were mostly due to people questioning the validity of the source and complaining about the divisive nature of the title. Lets not play favorites.

And, honestly, spacekatgal, this debate is a lot more civilized then the one you would have had had you posted this a couple weeks ago. At least no one who is still a member of 4.0 is going to call you a "piece of sh*t"

Sorry, Haus got there first. Great minds, right Haus?