This is an opinion piece that I just happened to find interesting. I know there has been a lot of Obama bashing since Chicago lost the Olympics, but I didn't see the SNL piece until stuff started showing up on the internet. I'm just interested to hear everyone's opinions on the topic.
This weekend "Saturday Night Live" opened with Fred Armisen as President Obama, delivering an address from the Oval Office. Noting up front that he'd failed to secure the 2016 Olympic Games for Chicago, Armisen's Obama said it was just
further proof that his detractors' fears are unfounded: How could he transform the country into something resembling the former Soviet Union or Nazi Germany when he's failed to accomplish anything at all? "When you look at my record," he said, "it's very clear what I've done so far, and that is nothing."
But are SNL's accusations of Obama being a do-nothing president accurate? Let's run down the list of the nine promises SNL lampooned President Obama for doing "nothing" on to see where he actually stands.
1. Close the American military prison at Guantanamo Bay: In one of his first acts as president, Obama signed an order mandating the close of the notorious lockup by January 2010. On Sunday, White House National Security Adviser James Jones said that he was "hopeful" that the White House would meet that deadline. Several legal and logistical questions remained to be answered, however, including the fate of the remaining detainees.
2. Pull all troops out of Iraq: In February, Obama told congressional leaders that he wanted all troops out of Iraq by August 2010. On June 30th of this year, a large number of troops were pulled out of the country, a move that was understated here in the U.S., but was met by dancing in the streets in some parts of Iraq. At the time of the withdrawal, the American military leadership refused to put a number on how many troops remained, though some have estimated that number remains as high as 124,000.
3. Improve the situation in Afghanistan: In a recent interview with CBS' "60 Minutes," General Stanley McChrystal, America's top commander in Afghanistan, said that things had become "a little worse" than he had originally anticipated in Afghanistan, adding that "the breadth of the violence, the geographic spread of violence, is a little more than I would have gathered." Wednesday marks the eighth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion, and last Sunday saw the deadliest single battle for American soldiers in Afghanistan since 2001. The administration is currently divided over how to change course in Afghanistan, weighing McChrystal's request for as many as 40,000 more troops against other options.
4. Reform the nation's health care system: This year's health care reform debate has been one of the more contentious debates in American history. Originally, the president set an August deadline for Congress to pass legislation for him to sign. That obviously didn't happen. However, on Friday night the Senate Finance Committee finally released its mammoth health care bill -- the last panel to do so, with a committee vote potentially coming as early as the middle of this week -- setting the stage for an even more intense national debate as the full Senate and House finalize legislation.
5. Cut down on global warming: Prior to the onset of the raucous health care reform debate, the centerpiece of the Administration's efforts to stem the increase of global warming, the Cap and Trade bill, was on the legislative fast-track. However, over the weekend Carol Browner, Obama's global warming czar, said that passage of the bill prior to December's Copenhagen Climate Change Conference was unlikely.
6. Reform the nation's immigration policies: In August, President Obama, under intense pressure from supporters for not moving fast enough on the issue, announced that he would have an immigration bill in Congress by the end of the year, though it likely wouldn't be voted on until 2010. Saying that "demagogues" who "suggest that any form of pathway for legalization for those who are already in the United States is unacceptable" would attempt to obstruct his efforts, the president added, "Am I going to be able to snap my fingers and get this done? No."
7. Changing the military's policies on gay soldiers: In his first week in the Oval Office, President Obama announced that his Administration would have to study the "implications for national security" before he could attempt to repeal the present "don't ask, don't tell" policy initiated by the Clinton administration in 1993. On Sunday, White House National Security Adviser James Jones reiterated Obama's commitment to fulfilling this campaign promise, but added that the president has "a lot on his plate" and would get around to addressing the issue at the "right time."
8. Placing limits on executive powers: In the early days of his presidency, Congressional Quarterly praised Obama for appearing as if he was "rejecting some of Bush's most expansive executive power claims" in the White House. However, that sentiment quickly evaporated among Obama supporters and opponents, with Salon's Glenn Greenwald noting in April that the White House had "explicitly claimed to possess the very presidential powers that Bush critics spent years condemning as radical, lawless and authoritarian."
9. Prosecute those who facilitate torture: In April, President Obama announced that his Administration would not bring charges against those who carried out acts deemed as torture upon U.S. terror detainees, but rather might seek to prosecute the Bush Administration officials who drafted the documents justifying the use of torture as lawful. In August, Attorney General Eric Holder followed through by announcing the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate whether or not the interrogations of suspected terrorists broke any laws.
So, taking all of this into consideration, are SNL's satirical criticisms of President Obama's do-nothingness valid? Probably not, mainly because, as illustrated by the old adage about how one shouldn't watch sausage or legislation get made, the process of "change" and getting anything done in Washington is a long and messy one, and Obama is merely nine months into his term as president. But that doesn't mean that Saturday's SNL skit was humorless, which, for once, it most definitely was not.
Source: Yahoo! News
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Is it right to say someone hasn't done anything if they are still in the process? I agree that he hasn't accomplished anything on HIS timetable, but I'd always cosidered his timetable more than optimistic.
1If we wanted everything done in 9 months, why do we elect presidents to 4-year terms?
2Armisen's Obama doesn't hold a candle to Fey's Palin or Farrell's Bush - he's really got to up his game.
Steph I agree - that guy sucks! They need to hire someone better. Gosh I cant even watch the whole thing he's so bad.
I think Obama made a misstep and took on too much. He probably would have been better served to take on fewer issues and be able to to get some checks in the box instead of tackling issues that are big and broad and slow to progress. I think he did it from a place of genuine concern and wanting to "fix" as much as he could as fast as he could, I just don't think it was an effective mangerial strategy.
3I don't think anyone can top Fey's Palin.
Dave, I agree. Obama's time table has always been overly optimistic. I think Obama has just taken on way too much for the first year. Maybe he'll learn from all this and start to pace himself better.
4They don't have much variety in their cast. Seriously, every time the script calls for someone vaguely ethnic-looking, they give it to Armisen. (But hey, good on him for scoring Elisabeth Moss from Mad Men.
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Don't have much of an opinion on this to be honset. Again he's stuck in a d@mned if he does/d@mned if he doesn't stance.
5em - i think you're right, but every president could say that. eventually you just have to do what you think is best (or go by what the polls think is best, whatever).
6"Is it right to say someone hasn't done anything if they are still in the process?"
I agree.
I think that these are HUGE issues that will take some time.
Also, the Presidency works in a system of checks and balances. He can't just wave a magic wand and get things done, it requires our congress to work with him. Our bought, paid for, lobbbyist lovin' congress.
7I agree with pretty much everyone. He hasn't definitely accomplished anything in the sense of, "I can check it off my list now; it's done." But, he's in the process of accomplishing things. Some of his time tables were too optimistic. (I, for one, am glad that once he took office, he realized that pulling all troops out of Iraq that quickly wasn't a good idea.) And I think that, in some cases, he didn't even set too optimistic of time tables, but that some of his supporters expected too much to happen too quickly.
8Well he is accomplishing something :
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar...
9You should re-read that article G. I don't think it proves what you think it does.
Lilikimbo - I don't know of any Obama supporters who expected everything to happen quickly. Its his opponents who I see checking his progress every 15 minutes.
10exactly steph! i dunno why people are all crazy because nothing has "happened" yet. oh yeah, that's right. they're not happy about who's in office and no matter what he does, they'd complain.
11I know a ton of supporters who expected things to happen quickly, steph! I can think of at least 4 of my friends who voted for him based mostly on the fact that they thought he was going to have all of the troops out of Iraq within a few months of being in office. I can think of another friend who specifically told me about two weeks before the election last year that healthcare reform would be passed on would be partially implemented "at this time next year," so basically in two weeks.
I guess the people I know are just overly optimistic.
12I guess so, because among the supporters I know, there's a lot of head shaking about people trying to hold Obama to a standard they never held any other president to.
Imagine how the right would freak about a 'dictatorship' if Obama had rammed every campaign promise through already!
13Well, the people I know are doing the same thing now, steph, but they were singing a different tune a year ago.
14maybe there's a difference in perception amongst his younger supporters and his more mature supporters (no offense Steph
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15i'm a young obama supporter and i am not surprised. changes take time.
16well obviously its not everyone. but i can see where younger people might be more idealistic and think he could have gotten more done or everything done whereas older people might be more skeptical or patient.
17i wonder how that lady is doing with not having to pay her mortgage or pay for gas in her car.... hmmm...
18That might be true if I only hung out at the old folks' home Haus, but I sneak out for work and volunteering. I probably know as many young Obama supporters as you and Lili-k. And I don't know any who can't believe we aren't living in Utopia yet.
19Haus, I've found that your theory holds true among the Obama supporters I know. The youngest ones were definitely the most optimistic about what they thought he could accomplish and how quickly they thought he could accomplish it. The older supporters I know seemed a bit more realistic in their expectations.
20LilKimbo, are your friends aware that all the proposed health care reform bills will not be implemented until well after 2012. I am sure it is just a coincident that it is after Obama has to stand for reelection; which is why this hype to pass a bill before the sky falls in is such a farce. The rush is to get it passed before the November elections this year, and the voters express their outrage as to all that has gone on in the last 9 months.
21Well I'm still waiting for my unicorn. I guess that's not his top priority. Hmph.
22`4m'
23dang, i never get the unicorn right!
24'4m`
25Dangit! I don't get my unicorn either!
26I got mine...
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30Last one, I promise
31While I didn't find the comedy so interesting, I think this may be the point in which the media begins to understand that we have a president who is severely detrimental to American society and American values.
32Nice tramps stamps, btw.
i think america is detrimental to american society and values.
33"we have a president who is severely detrimental to American society and American values"
34I thought 'tramp stamps' (although many find the term very insulting) were placed on the lower back?
35Well, if we are to glean that the current American values that are responsible for low-birth weight (a la Ann Coulter) are smoking, teenage pregnancy, and illegitimacy, then yeah, I can see how a married man with two children might harm those stats. He does still smoke, though, right?
36They are, Amy. What's that line from "Wedding Crashers"? "It's practically a bulls-eye"?
37Brings to mind one of my favorite DearSugar threads!
38Oh God.
39(That line doesn't express my personal opinion of those tats...just Vince Vaughn's. But I'm un-tattooed, so my opinion doesn't matter)
40we have a president who is severely detrimental to American society and American values.
please explain this.
41Personally I've never had a problem with how long things are taking considering that yes these issues are subject to the time consuming process in which we create legislation and change our national laws. Our system doesn't work for efficiency it works for thoroughness.
The fact of the matter is a lot has been done there simply isn't a complete and file away stamp on anything yet and that's fine. I'd rather things be done right than half fast.
There is one thing on the list he could do with out waiting if not for the burden it would place on other things he's trying to get done and that is repealing the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. If the partisan tension wasn't so thick in the air and such weighty legislation teetered on success or failure the repeal would have been history and an after thought. People would have raised a fuss and panicked for a moment. We would hear stories of silly men who say I was going to enlist but now I'm not. Then fashionably late as usual reality would set in and people would realize that gays being who they are really doesn't effect one damn thing and our forces fight just as good and just as hard as they ever did.
42omg i loved that dear sugar thread so much!!!
43tramp stamps piss me off. can you imagine when all these girls get old? we're going to have a bunch of 90 year olds with tramp stamps and probably fake boobs too!
how weird!
44i want to see this dearsugar thread!
45I'm not upset that it's taking a little time. I've been angry that we, the people, have had to tell the President time and again to slow down and actually think through what you're doing, only to be called racists.
46Haus - I've revisited the "tramp stamp" thread and a LOT of the comments were taken down because they were reported. A bunch of the fun stuff is no longer...
But it was off.the.hook!
47What values exactly do you speak of? I don't think all Americans have the same values. For example, it is clear from posting on here that you and I have a completely different set of values.
48booooo Amy! oh well.
49Amy, I remember that DearSugar thread...
some Sugar members (or former members) took TMI to a whole new level of
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