http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8167671.stm
By Kevin Connolly BBC News, Chicago
When a political topic is hot in America it dominates the cable chatter on 24-hour TV channels.
When it's REALLY hot, it dominates the advert breaks too - and no topic is hotter than health care.
Rival lobbying organisations are spending millions of dollars on airtime - offering startlingly different diagnoses of what is wrong with the American healthcare system, and different prescriptions for treating it.
Some call straightforwardly for the government to expand its own role as a provider of health coverage, as it currently provides only for the old and the poor.
Others warn of the dangers of "socialised medicine" - the most riveting of them carry warnings from Britain and Canada about the dire consequences which will follow if the United States copies their government-funded systems.
You would almost get the impression that the streets of those countries are piled high with the unburied dead - but behind the oversimplifications, it is clear that America is engaged in a debate about how big a role government should play in rationing healthcare.
No insurance
To get a sense of what that debate means in the daily lives of what journalists tend - rather irritatingly - to call "real people", I travelled to Illinois, Barack Obama's home base, where he engaged with this issue: first as a community organiser, then as a young state senator.
On one side of the debate in the town of Aurora, I found Kathy Hunter, a mother of two children who used to have health insurance through her husband's policy and who lost it when they were divorced.
So Kathy is now one of the 47 million or so Americans who have no health insurance - a statistic bandied about so often that it is easy to forget the lives which lie behind it.
We sat together at Kathy's kitchen table and sorted through the bills which arrived after a brief trip to the emergency room after she suffered an anxiety attack a few months back.
There was - happily - nothing wrong, but the total cost of a few tests and a few reassuring words from a doctor totted up to around $4,000 (£2,437). The government-funded medical welfare system Medicaid might agree to pick up the tab, but it might not and if it does not Kathy has no idea how she will pay the bill.
From her point of view, the problem is huge, but it is also simple.
"I sit here at night and I wonder: "What am I going to do, where am I going to come up with this money?'" she tells me.
"If they have in Washington, or in state government, this wonderful care - why don't I? Why am I not entitled to that as a human being? And that's what I don't understand, why can't we figure out a way for everyone that everyone can be covered - at least for the basic care."
From the vantage point of Kathy's kitchen table, it is hard to disagree with the notion that something must be done - but politics of course is the business of settling exactly what.
And healthcare makes for particularly difficult politics because it throws up questions about where American society is heading.
'My choice'
We know now, in broad outline at least, what Barack Obama thinks should be done. He wants a government insurance scheme to run in parallel with and in competition with private insurance providers.
But there are problems with that plan.
America already spends more than any other developed country on healthcare (around 16% of GDP where 10 or 11 is the norm). And it is not noticeably a healthier society as a result.
In the short term, providing a government scheme would be costly. And in the long term, if it was both good and affordable, it might put private insurers out of business - and that would mean that by default America would start moving towards a state-provided system.
Which brings me to Sandy Westlund-Deenihan and the other side of the argument.
Sandy runs a light engineering company on the outskirts of Chicago. Like her father and grandfather before her, she takes pride in providing healthcare for her workers.
She pays 65% of the costs of insuring her employees (they make up the rest) and even though it is a significant cost for a small business, Sandy would not have it any other way.
"I am in favour of insuring the people who don't have any insurance, but don't handcuff me because I'm doing the right thing," she told me.
"I really want to have a choice, and I really don't want the government interfering. If I want to take that out of the profits, and give it to my employees, that's my choice."
It is only fair to point out that Sandy is not opposed to healthcare reform - she would like to see something done to help people like Kathy for example - but she shares the instinctive horror that many Americans feel for the idea of the government running the healthcare system.
Politically vulnerable
Democrats often argue that the barrier to healthcare reform is an efficient and well-funded lobbying system run by the insurance and drug companies that make money from the current system. But things are never quite that simple.
To many people here - certainly to many conservatives - the idea of government healthcare conjures an impression of a federal bureaucrat deciding what tests and treatments you may or may not have.
From that point of view, an expanded role for government is the problem, not the solution.
This is the political minefield that Barack Obama is currently negotiating - is there a way through it that will protect Kathy without alienating Sandy?
At the heart of this, of course, is a battle between two competing visions of America's future.
Does it want to become more European or will it stick to the view which has allowed it to prosper - that the free market is the most creative and efficient way to allocate resources, even when those resources are hospital beds to treat the badly injured or the terminally-ill.
It is a problem that former presidents Roosevelt, Kennedy, Truman and Clinton all grappled with in the course of their presidencies with varying degrees of success, but Mr Obama has been relying on his undeniable mandate for change and his extraordinary powers of persuasion to ensure that things turn out differently this time around.
He wanted it sorted out before the summer recess on Capitol Hill but has been forced to accept now that it will not be.
And there are big politics at play in all this too - Republicans sense that Mr Obama is vulnerable on this issue and they are pushing back hard against his plans.
If they can stop him on this, they reason, they can rob his presidency of much of its momentum.
The summer months are normally fairly quiet in Washington, but with the White House keen to see all this go to a vote in September there is every chance that the summer of 2009 will see a real battle raging in America's capital.
Paul's Boutique
Ok, it's a little old (July 24, 2009), but I feel it's the most reasonable and sensible article I've read about the heathcare debate in America.
Do you guys think it reflects your opinions and your worries/wishes ? Do you agree with the way the journalist presented the issue ? Do you agree with Sandy's and Kathy's points of view, and do you think you might meet in the middle ? What would be the best solution for you ?
I ask that honestly, and not at all in a patronizing way. I really wish I could understand the debate and I feel there are so many "roundabout arguments" that American people can't think objectively on this issue anymore.
1It's a very simple but fair reading of the most basic facts of the health care debate; but it seems to minimize the debate over the country's direction.
Many of the loudest voices against reform are not people like Sandy, but are people/corporations admantly opposed to Obama and any agenda that doesn't favor business over people. That doesn't leave much ground for compromising.
2Yes, I figured it was much more difficult than this...
But still, for the first time, I feel like an article isn't governed by an agenda (whatever it may be) and presents quite fairly the worries of the American people . Not the politicians, not the corporations. Just the regular sane people.
What I would like to know is "what people really think" about the healthcare debate if you strip their discourse from the "Hitler/death panel/conspiracy theories" and "right-wing nuts/anti-patriotic/crazy" insults which apparently (and sadly) have taken over the news.
Many of my European friends ask me in disbelief : "Hey, since you know so many things about the way they do things over there" (yeah, I'm labeled as the "American expert" since I constantly refuse to partake in the anti-american discourse and usually say that "there a prIcks everywhere"), "why are they so adamant to refuse healthcare reform since their current system clearly doesn't work" ?
And frankly, I would like to have something else to say than just "well, huh, it's complicated, huh, you know I can't really tell you in just a few words"...
3I don't think its about corporations, they are just the scapregoat for everything.
For instance, the people showing up at town halls are not CEOs or people even in any way affiliated with corporations.
Tulipe, I think the best way to sum it up is to say that Americans, for the most part, don't like govt intervention because they see the gov't as a an inefficient bureacracy. And at a time where our deficit is soaring and we clearly have no money (and we've already spent what, 800 billion we don't have?), the people are hestitant to make sweeping changes.
It would be nice if this debate boiled down to those who care and those who don't, but thats a gross over simplification.
4Basically I think its about finding something that will work, that is efficient, and that will save us money. It's not about change for the sake of change.
This plan just isn't that.
5One more thing... sorry for the mult posts.
I think Americans want it to be better, they know its broken, they want to help people. But we just have no money and the economy is no good. So if you're broke and you need to fix something what do you do? You try to fix as much as you can afford, you try the simple fixes first and hope it makes a measurable difference and then you go from there.
I think if we had a plan like that it would have a lot of support.
6It's a disingenuous to say that corporations are being scapegoated in the debate, when they're spending huge amounts of money to have their say: this year so far at least $263 million has been spent on health lobbying - more than any other sector this year.
The list of the top 20 spenders in 2009 across all sectors includes the U.S. Chamber of Commerce at No. 1, spending more than $26 million, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) at No. 3, spending $13 million, and Pfizer in the No. 6 spot, spending $11 million. Also joining the ranks of the top 20 spenders this year are Blue Cross Blue Shield, AARP, American Hospital Association, American Medical Association and Eli Lilly, each having doled out between $7 and $10 million this year.
Freedomworks, a powerful anti-reform group heavily pressing its members to attend (and hijack) townhalls, is led by former Congressman Dick Armey who only this month resigned from a pr firm that represented pharmaceutical companies, such as Bristol-Myers Squibb.
In an online posting urging its members to go to townhalls, Freedom offered advice like this:
"You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep's presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep's statements early. If he blames Bush for something or offers other excuses -- call him on it, yell back and have someone else tallow-up with a shout-out. The goal is to rattle him.
When the formal Q&A session begins get all your hands up and keep them up.... The balance of the group should applaud when the question is asked, further putting the Rep on the defensive."
7"It's a disingenuous to say that corporations are being scapegoated in the debate, when they're spending huge amounts of money to have their say"
How much of that money went to Obama and the Democrat party? How much of that money was spent in ads suporting the health care plan?
How much money have the Unions poured into Obama coffers, and how much of their money went into ads suporting the program
8Look it up, a great deal less than half went to Obama and the Democrats. AARP supports health care reform, the rest of the groups mentioned do not. Union support is no where near at the spending levels of corporations.
Nice try though.
9Well Obama himself let the pharma companies have a seat at the table when devising this plan, so its disingenous to suggest that all the corporations lay on the other side and then blame them for everything.
10@ Haus, thank you for you input and don't worry about the multiple posts !
I can get the fact that the idea of a bureaucracy in medicine is not appealing. Trust me, once, I was in Vietnam and I lost my wallet with my ID card and driving licence in it. I was on the verge of tears, not because I had lost them but because I knew I would have to stand in line for hours to get them replaced and I couldn't stand it.
YET. The idea of having to fight with insurers to get treated, the idea that treatment depends on money and the idea that if I don't have insurance, I don't get treated, that's even scarier for me. I mean, I know that us French are quite used to having a big government so it doesn't seem so scary in the end (except for the driving licence lines... crazy drivers we are), and that's probably why my friends can't understand that Americans are so reluctant.
It's just... HMOs make profit if they refuse surgery or treatment to people and in my opinion, it's even worse than government intervention. Because on the one hand, you need healthcare. On the other hand, the treatment you receive is not dependent on the doctors, which would be the most logical, but on the very people who have an interest in not giving you the care you need. It seems, for a foreign eye, like the most absurd and deathly combination you could get.
Change for the sake of change is stupid, I agree completely. But why keep this system ? Why are some people happy with it ? Again, I ask you (and actually, I need more your point of view than others because we have a different perspective) how people can live with it.
PS : I agree that spending billions of dollars (not on healthcare, on everything) and basically saying 'well, let's our kids pay for that' is unfair. France has a huge deficit and I'm quite angry with our "elders" because they were so carefree with budget and now we, younger people, are gonna have to pay for their lifestyle. So I agree with argument. I'm just saying that there's more to the healthcare debate than the deficit (because we could easily say - and especially for the US - that the military costs have been skyrocketing and have been generally bad for budget balance).
(See ?! You post multiple times and I post Tolstoï-long answers...
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11Oh and I really don't think its possible to argue that corporations aren't being set up as the Boogie Man when the dialog changed from "healthcare reform" to "health INSURANCE reform".
That was a very strategic move with the sole intention of blaming companies.
12Who changed terms? Everything I read still says healthcare reform.
13I found one entry on Health Insurance Reform on the White House website, in July. Hardly a major shift in focus.
14Tulipe I see what you're saying but there's a few factors there...
First, HMOs I don't think make money by denying people things but you have to take into account the MASSIVE overspending by Docs ordering tests they don't need because of sue happy Americans. Malpractice in this country is insane, so if I'm a Doc I'm going to order everything under the sun to cover my own butt. If the HMO denies it, well it may actually be for a reason and it may not be because they are trying to save pennies.
And you do get treated without insurance (at least in an emergency situation), its just that you have to cover that cost yourself. From what I've heard from people I know who have govt run healthcare (ie France and Canada) you're not always guranteed those screenings and some of it based on severity of what you already have. So to me, I don't see much of a difference there. After all, what good is govt insurance if you can't actually get anything done?
According to the polls, most people (70-80%) are happy with their insurance the way it is. They get what they need, they pay their money and they get some say in who they go to. Which is why to me it doesn't make sense to scrap the entire system and overhaul everything. We can make improvements yes, but why ignore that most people are happy with what they've got?
I think the cost is a factor right now because of the economy and the stimulus and the deficit projections. Back when the war started for example, we were in a good position economically. It still was money we didn't have but when times are good financially you're more apt to let some things slide. Now times are bad and I think people are just more sensitive to the costs and money we're dolling out. I think the timing is another thing. There are probably a lot of people out there like me who think, Geesh this guy has been in office for not even a year and we've already spent HOW MUCH?! Let's slow it down!
But I think as you've seen through my comments and if you read posts like the Wall Street Journal article by the Whole Foods guy, it's not just about money. There's a lot of factors that go into why some people don't like this plan and I don't think those people should be ignored to just put a check in the "Reform Healthcare" box.
15Steph - Obama has said in many town halls that it's "health insurance reform". Secretary Sebilius calls it that. Gibbs calls it that.
That switch was made. Gibbs was asked about it at a press briefing and a townall member asked Obama about it too.
16here's a blog from the White House - Myths of Health Insurance Reform
17http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/08/21/Weekly-Address-The-Moral-Case-fo...
I saw that blog - but to call it a shift in dialogue is incorrect. It is reference to one element of the entire effort to reform health care.
If it was just about reforming insurance, the bill would be fewer pages.
18Thank you, Haus. I keep forgetting about the malpractice "industry" in the States. It's a good argument, actually, which helps explaining why your system is so costly. We don't have that in France. I mean, there will be some cases of patients suing doctors, but it's definitely not common.
About timing. I guess most presidents want to accomplish as many things as they can when they still enjoy that popularity. You should have seen our president, Sarkozy, juggling with reforms during the first year and a half (while not actually accomplishing much, btw, but that's another story). After that, he had a mild heart attack, or something like that and he went on vacation for 30 days...
I thought that the percentage of "happy people" was much less than this. Aren't there like 40 million people without insurance ? Oh, and in France, healthcare isn't government-run. It's a mix between government (national insurance funds) and private (through your employer). Basically, the government share is about 20% of the total and the rest is private insurance. But the private insurers have to answer to the government so that the costs won't increase too much and that there won't be too great disparities).
The main motto is : the healthy pay for the sick. And the sicker you get, the less you pay. Chronical illnesses, cancer, AIDS, diabetes and big surgeries (like if you need cardiothoracic surgery) are 100% reimbursed. I think it's mainly about solidarity. You don't pay for yourself. You pay for society and if one day you get sick, society will take care of you.
PS : in ER, people with the most pressing or severe conditions are of course treated first. But everyone gets treated no matter what they have, where they come from and how much money they earn.
But again, thank you for your perspective. It's good that people can discuss without hearing 'nazi' or 'crazy' flying through the conversation...
19Steph - It was a strategic re-wording of what the plan is called by the White House. If it wasnt, then when Obama or Gibbs were asked they would have said that it wasn't and provided an explanation. But they didn't. It was intentional and that intention was to turn the insurance company into the Boogey Man. As for corporation influence, we could also talk about the trial lawyers lobby and what they did to ensure that there was no tort reform put in this plan and no limits on malpractice.
Tulipe - You should chat with UnDave or PM him. He knows more than any of us how a healthcare insurance company works and whhy they do what they do.
20Tulipe - Just to clarify the 70-80% are the people who have insurance who are happy with what they have. I don't know what the % of Americans happy with the current system is.
21Oh, I don't want to spoil his week-end...
He'll see the
conversation tomorrow.
My week-end is almost over, 10:30 pm, I feel like my freedom is vanishing and I'm like Garfield. I hate mondays. *Sigh*
22You should get a pastry every monday and then you'll look forward to mondays!
23Quite a stretch in logic Haus and if it had been an intentional strategic shift, why hasn't it caught on with liberal members of congress, in the liberal media etc.?
It's not like a White House to keep a strategic shift secret from the team.
Insurance companies weren't turned into boogeymen by any p.r. effort. People simply shared concerns and stories of what they went through with their companies and then discovered that the companies that were raising their premiums and co-pays were making outrageous profits.
24Its not a stretch at all Steph. Journalists can call it whatever they want, the White House made the shift not on accident. No stretch there.
25Oh, Haus, I wish my case would be solved by pastries...
I think the disease is more serious than that : I love my job, love the people I work with and my office is set in a great & beautiful location. It's just... mondays... I can't stand them...
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